Mix of LP, TP, and a couple TAG.

9-handed table

Folds to Middle Position, who is a LP, open-limps 3. (350eff)

The High Jack, also LP, limps 3.

Hero in the CO, limps 52 (Hero covers Villains)

BTN, a TP, limps 3. (680eff)

SB-folds

BB-checks option. Going to flop 5-handed 16 in the pot.

Flop T85

Pot: 16

check's to Hero:

Hero checks

BTN/TP bets $20

BB-folds

LP-MP open limper calls.

HJ folds,

Hero Raises to $80.

BTN calls.

MP- calls.

Flop T85
Turn J

MP-checks. (270 behind)

Hero bets $245.

BTN has 600 behind, hero covers.

Let me know whatcha think! Thanks

I think it's terrible. Seriously. Limping with 52 suited is awful and you know it. I'd rather raise it than limp it.

With this flop, the check-raise is OK, but I doubt they are folding if they got a good piece of it.

On the turn, you bluff the one card that probably hit them. The thing about passive players is that they love to call down. I think this is worse than the limp pre. I hope it worked out.

Fold pre.

Flop raise is fine, taking the pot down now would be a good result, and we can expect to fold out some hands that beat us (8s, pocket pairs below ten, some weak tens).

Once we're called in two places on the flop, we're in a very tough spot. I now range them at made hands with the bottom of their range being T9/JT, flush draws, and straight draws. While we have a lot of equity against either villain, we may be up against a better flush draw and a better made hand, which puts us in a lot of trouble. Betting here means we are playing a huge pot with a very marginal hand, so I check and hope BTN checks behind to see a river. If BTN bets and MP calls, I think I fold. If BTN bets and MP folds, I will sometimes call if given the odds, and would think about shoving as well, but would need a read that BTN could find a fold to do so.

I'm going to start this without a discussion regarding fold pre, because I feel that advice would fall on deaf ears given hero's decision to limp 52 because it's suited. But seriously though.. why not just wait for the next hand?

Other than that, I actually honestly don't mind the way this hand was played on the flop...We flop as good as we can hope for, and C/r flop with pair + FD seems pretty standard, although the weird part of this hand comes when we get called in both spots. Pair + FD has great equity in a heads up pot, because we have either the best hand, or the best draw so we're never totally f*** against V's ranges. In a 3 way pot with bottom pair and the WORST possible flush draw except 34cc, we can be drawing to a second best hand against one player and losing to a different player giving us garbage equity.

I think once called, on the turn I'm going to check it down and just pray for a cheap showdown and probably fold to any bet. The Js isn't likely to be a scare card for both V's (remember, we REALLY want htem to fold to our turn bet, if we elect to bomb it) because the J improves them to realistic 2p, pair + FD, pair + SD and top pair combos (98-Q9, QJ, J9, etc.) are all very dense in opponents limping ranges so I'm not sure if turn bet generates enough folds.. Not to mention the second flush draw that comes in will increase the probability that we get called.

what was the plan to make money with 52s?

hitting straight flush and collecting the manies?
bluffing a flop?
taking a stab on turn when it checks through flop?
c/r AI like a boss?

just wondering.


I dont mind the bluff on the turn but my lord you better know the players and considering there are not descriptions, I cannot really comment. So I would just tap the virtual table and say "nice hand sir".

This seems pretty hopeless. You limp pre in late position with a pretty awful hand, then you flop bottom pair and a 5 hi flush draw in a 5 way pot, from the CO, and decide to go for a check raise??? Seriously, that couldn't have been your plan this whole time. I'd be inclined to believe you just decided to raise once the action got to you the second time on the flop. This is the antithesis of a good plan. If all this wasn't enough to deter you from spazzing so badly, then at least the fact that a "tight-passive" BTN bet the flop for over pot. So, now you've checked pair plus draw from late position in a limped pot, seen a tight-passive overbet, get one call in front of you, then you arbitrarily decide to explode with a raise. What do you credibly rep?

Then the turn is an over card, but it's also coordinated with the board in that it completes 97 and Q9, improves J8, JT, and brings a second flush draw, all while not being scary enough to fold out Tx very often. It's just too wet to use as a bluffing card. Bombing the As would be okay, the Ah would be even better than that. Now you have committed yourself against MP, though calling MP's all in is super trivial, but if the BTN shoves, you'll need 32.25% equity against his GII range if MP folds (25% if MP calls all in). The only hands you have 32% against are one pair hands that don't contain a club, so your sizing mathematically denies you proper odds to call in the event BTN moves all in. I just don't like this at all. The only benefit from this is that either of them may fold flush draws, but MP is more likely to have a draw than BTN given flop action and descriptions.

You could've bet the flop the first time, you could've just called the bet from BTN, you could've tried to peel a river by checking turn. I think this is lighting money on fire.

I agree with fold preflop. Or maybe raise very rarely to mix it up. This is not a good speculative hand even with position. Love the flop play. But I think that's probably the worst turn card to bluff after being called in two spots. I would check and hope for a club if button checks behind. If he doesn't, I may call if other player folds, and I'm getting proper odds.

GrandTheft made a great point about the flop play. My initial reaction was to love it. But it seems very strange. At first I thought that was a good thing, for confusion. But what are we repping with that play? Seems bluffy from opponents view. We don't want it to seem bluffy, we want folds

These opponents are too level 1 to even be thinking about what hero is "representing". When a tight passive bets into a multiway pot his hand is most likely nutted and he's likely willing to play a big pot. I would range him on sets and top two pair, with A10 being at the very bottom of his range. Additionally, once a loose passive calls a bet, he's not folding to a raise once he's decided to put money in the pot.

Even though hero flopped a pretty strong semibluffing hand, hero picked a bad spot to bluff due to player profiling.

Check raise the cutoff! Genius!

This hand is just a bit too weak for me. Lots of poor RIO with basically everything we hit. So I dump it preflop, but whatever.

I probably bet like 2/3 PSB on the flop. Our hand might be best now and we're simply protecting our weak pair. It might get a better hand (8x, 77/66, etc.) to fold. If we're behind, we likely have lots of outs. We can setup a free card play on the turn if we want.

When Button (a tight player?) overbets the pot on a drawy board, I don't think I'm exactly pumped about check/raising. Plus another guy called which means we might not have nearly as many outs (if any) as we think we do. We're also very likely to end up in the exact spot we did, which is OOP in a multiway pot on the turn with bottom pair, or even worse facing a reraise (now what?). I probably just call at this point.

On the turn a draw did get there (97). Meh. I think I check/evaluate at this point.

Gnotafanofanystreet,imoG