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07-10-2013 , 02:00 PM
Hero is on the Btn with ATo with roughly 250 stack. Image is pretty tight but just paid the villain in this hand off a few hands ago in a pretty big pot. It's folded around to me I make it 11. SB folds and BB(villain) sits for a second and makes it 29. Villain is wearing a Wsop hat and from my sample seems to be a pretty good player. I decide to call because I think he is making a play at me thinking I'm stealing blinds. I didn't really think about 3 bet sizing made by him which is a mistake here i think. Anyways ... Flop is

A Q T rainbow. Villain checks I bet 45 he gives me a weird look sits for about a minute and then shoves. He has me covered. I'm not sure what I should do here I decided to call and I think it was really fishy of me to call. Not really sure what he was repping thought after the shove it was something like AK, AQ, QQ, Q10. or some dumb draw like J9. I just don't really know what to do here because I play fairly tight so I don't get myself into a situation like this. before i call i have 180 behind. I just need some help here. Should I just fold preflop. I'll Post a spoiler in a little bit.
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07-11-2013 , 10:56 AM
ATo does poorly in 3bet pots around the globe even in position so I would muck that hand preflop.

As played, I think this is a fold. Fact that it's rainbow a flop makes me think it's so much less of a chance for a draw but a made hand that beats ours like AA/QQ/TT/KJs/AQ.

So, you have $700 and you opened to $33 and he 3bet pre to $87?

That's completely standard IMO as far as sizing goes. I'm thinking it's OK because it's live. I would open to $70 online though.
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07-11-2013 , 05:25 PM
I guess he had AA? Or luck-boxed on KJ. I think it's a general consensus on 2+2 that standard LLSNL fish have a very narrow 3bet range. However, you perceived him as good because of the WSOP hat, so I'm not sure.

As played, I would fold to 3bet. ATo is junk.
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07-11-2013 , 05:54 PM
Funny, as soon as I saw wsop paraphernalia on a guy over the last 2 weeks I immediately assumed they were some form of bad. Almost always right.

Either way turbo muck pf. Don't give so much credit to people for making a move pf at this limit, especially (!!!!) when they're OOP. Even fish know something about position and won't usually repop anything that doesn't completely crush your fairly unplayable hand.
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07-11-2013 , 06:19 PM
Other than the WSOP hat, what makes you think V in question is a decent player?

I would probably fold to the 3bet here unless there's some history BTN vs blinds. I tend to give credit to players that barely 3bet, especially the first time they do it. Even at the bottom portions of his range, he's pretty likely to be 3betting with a better Ace.

As for the flop decision, I don't mind a call. The c/r line from villain is giving me the impression that he has QQ, and is trying to get an Ace to bet/call, or is making a scared/bad play with AK.
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07-11-2013 , 06:25 PM
My bad, I mean I would open to $7 online not $70, lol, WTF?

OMFG, this is a turbo muck preflop!!
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07-11-2013 , 06:28 PM
check back flop. we significantly increase our EV from worse on future streets, there's tons of good turns, and he's certainly trapping sometimes when he 3b/checks since this smacks his 3b range.
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07-11-2013 , 06:34 PM
As stated fold PF to 3bet but since we are in a hand, let's take a look at what we have.

Villain is assumed to be good and is willing to defend the blinds. Rainbow board and he c/r. We can assume AA, QQ, TT, AQ, KJ and since he may assume you're stealing, this could be in his range.

The hands that you are beating but each have 6-7 outs to win/tie, AK, AJ, Ax, KK, JJ.

Unless it's a complete bluff, it does not look in our favor given the top hand combinations that he could have. I find it weird though, with a 3bet pot OOP that he would c/r though instead of leading since he has: 1) initiative 2) larger pot on flop... unless he flopped a monster and he's assuming you hit the board since you did call a 3bet.
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07-12-2013 , 05:47 PM
I've been trying to become a tricky player lately and do things that I generally wouldn't do. I know calling with A T is not the greatest play in a 3bet pot even in position. I thought about this hand a lot at the table before i did decide to call. I just couldn't understand the check raise on the flop especially a shove. I really thought it was AK because to be honest I didn't think the guy was to great of a player. What I didn't really think about was even if I was right and he had one of the hands in his range I was beating was the fact that he still had 6-7 outs. He called and the turn was a J so I knew I was SOL.

He tabled kings which I was just in absolute shock. I understand this play somewhat because of range I can give him but it was just disgusting that he had kings there.
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07-12-2013 , 05:49 PM
But I probably should have checked flop and gotten value while controlling the pot a little bit if I truly did have him pipped if he had AK. The part of the range I am beating is just to narrow for me to call I think.
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07-12-2013 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MerkinMonkey
But I probably should have checked flop and gotten value while controlling the pot a little bit if I truly did have him pipped if he had AK. The part of the range I am beating is just to narrow for me to call I think.
No.

Your flop play was fine. If he had AK or even Ax, he would have called and re-evaluated the turn.

But like everyone else says, you definitely call the shove.
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07-12-2013 , 07:26 PM
Grunch:

Apparently it's impossible or V to have sets with his 3 bet.

Has he 3 bet you before? What makes you suspect him of a light blind defense? It seems you just jumped there because you were button and he was big blind.

People in my games do that all the time. I open from the button and all of a sudden they're calling with ATC because i must be messing around (they're not good enough to 3 bet).
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07-12-2013 , 07:50 PM
I definitely victim to the whole position thing that makes me think players are trying to outplay pf there because they think I'm trying to steal with a marginal hand. I think I like a check on the flop because there are bad cards on the turn that can get me away from this spot and he could Make a delayed c bet with a hand I'm beating and then thin value on the river. Am I wrong for thinking this way.
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07-13-2013 , 12:19 AM
AT is absolutely junk when facing a 3bet. Even AJ is junk too.
When facing a 3bet you got on playing only AK and any pocket pair if you get the odds on flopping a set. Else play only the big pairs and AK. Fold AQ or less. Actually fold all trouble hands.

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