Hello, recently had time to get back to playing. Wanted to get peoples thoughts on this hand and maybe some Math help along the way?

1/3 NL, $300 stack sizes except BTN who has about 160
New table, in our first hour. No real reads, non pros
UTG+3 opens to 15
HJ calls
BTN calls
SB calls
Hero in BB has Ac7c

Hero action?







Hero calls, Pot 75

FLOP: Qh Ad 6c

Hero checks
UTG3 bets 40
HJ calls 40
BTN, SB fold
Hero?

Next post, please include effective stack size.

As played, fold. There is an early position pre-flop raiser continuing multi-way on a board that hits his PFR range.

I'm ok calling pre since you are closing action with a suited ace, getting a good price.

Preflop I favor a fold. The weak suited aces tend not to play well OOP. It's not really bad though because you are getting a good price with all of those people in the hand.

On the flop when HJ calls it's an easy fold. UTG+3 continued into a bunch of players and still got a call, it will be very rare that one of them doesn't have you beat.

So so wrong. Suited Aces are literally the perfect hand to play multiway other then pocket pairs that you are setmining with.

Not to mention you are getting 5 to 1.

You have to be the tightest player in your player pool to be folding this.

i would play it like you call pre and check fold flop.

FLOP: Qh Ad 6c

Hero checks
UTG3 bets 40
HJ calls 40
BTN, SB fold
Hero?


Hero sees preflop raiser seems confident but is visibly angry. Maybe history with HJ but seems tilted, I know this is a fold because at worst he has AJ here. But for some reason with 3 to flush and Ace I call to see turn.

POT=195
Turn: 7d

UTG3 bets 100
HJ allin for 80

Hero?

Pre flop depends on if I'm going to get paid. Flop is a fold.

Now what? Fold is wise; shove is second best -- but you should not be here.

Cant fold turn.

+1 fold flop

Just fold this pf. Poker is not about winning hands, it is about winning money. Unless you flop 2 pair or better, you're going to win the minimum and lose the maximum. You're oop and the hand is MW. You aren't going to "outplay" that many people. So you have to flop it to win it. You're over 20:1 to flop that big and a lot of your equity is the FD hitting, which will shut down the action.

We don't even need to outplay people. Many Villains make lol bad bet sizing errors and give us great odds to call. If we flopped a flush draw, V would likely still make a small half size bet and then we still get a string of callers to give us a slam dunk +EV call.

The big money is made in this game by our opponents terrible post flop errors. They are PAYOFF monkeys which means we should be in there with speculative hands when we are getting a good price. Any other strategy is leaving $ on the table.

Call pre. You can flop lots of equity and it's a decent hand to play MW.

AP, fold flop. Ace-rag is not ahead when PFR bets and gets a caller.

AP, call turn.

Thanks everyone so far.

This mutiway pre im never folding, at least in my games I play. I usually like at least 3 other callers for a suited Ace.

I agree flop is fold, I knew it was a fold at time and somehow the chips just came out my hands,, so here we are,,

FLOP: Qh Ad 6c

Hero checks
UTG3 bets 40
HJ calls 40
BTN, SB fold
Hero?


Hero sees preflop raiser seems confident but is visibly angry. Maybe history with HJ but seems tilted, I know this is a fold because at worst he has AJ here. But for some reason with 3 to flush and Ace I call to see turn.

POT=195
Turn: 7d

Hero checks
UTG3 bets 100
HJ allin for 80

Well I now have 2pair.These were my thoughts, feel free to dissect them. HJ seems disinterested, so now what does original raiser have? He made 1/2 pot bet very fast. Highly doubt AA with me having A. AQ is a possibility but seems like type that would just go off with AJ here. Type that flops top pair and just keeps going.
Folding isnt happen at this point. Calling is meh. so,,

Hero shoves $230 into $395

Thoughts?

I think calling PF is OK, but assuming only the best case scenario with respects to our opponents' playing styles and abilities seems like a lot of hubris.

Oh my bad. Sorry for assuming that 1/2 players are not complete DROOLERS and play their hands like spewtards post flop.

I feel calling is find preflop with your hand and the fact it’s 5-way. However I feel you have to be disciplined to fold this type of flop. I feel the call on flop is pretty bad.

I feel turn ap is a call. If you rip, what are you called by that is worse than your hand?

I’m fine with calling pre or folding. Folding of is def not wrong here. If you are going to get into awkard pots where you call a-x boards 5-way, I would just muck pre to keep yourself out of pots you will play poorly in. I would never feel really confident with a-7 on the board in a 5-way pot.

So the reason for shove was specifically to target one pair hands. Villains pauses and eventually calls and turns over AK. River was blank. HJ didn’t show.

Thanks for the feedback. I specifically wanted to double check that calling on flop was not correct.

I'm not a fan of the shove. You can probably still get value from AK, but I think the average 1/2 player will still give you that value on the river. But I think you lose some value from AJ and are mostly called by hands that beat you. AK is probably the bottom of his calling range.

I think turn is a pretty clear shove as played.

I'm cool with calling preflop. We'll be OOP (which will make playing and getting paid off postflop admittedly more difficult) but we're also getting about 30:1 IO with the nut making flush hand (flush over flush is where we'll make our money). I'm just ~nutmining and will check/fold the flop this multiway with anything that isn't (ex. TP). ETA: If we're playing this poorly on the flop, preflop is a trivial fold and not remotely close.

Trivial fold for me on the flop. I didn't call preflop to hit a weak TP + no draw in a multiway pot against 2 people that are cool with their hand. We'll fold the best hand here once and a while but not nearly enough to make up for the times we're drawing to like <= 3 outs.

ETA: I think our flop call is horrible ("3-to-a-flush", yikes). We only have a little over a PSB left. Pretty innocent looking card, so I would probably lean to a check/shove, but also not hating an outright shove if we feel this could get checked thru. As played, trivial shove.

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