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1/3 NLH -4! Jam nut flush draw w/ blocker? 1/3 NLH -4! Jam nut flush draw w/ blocker?

08-22-2020 , 12:06 AM
Playing Live 1/3 5 handed

Not much info on Villian(CO)

BB has opened or 3! literally every hand the last 10+ hands and every hand shown down with Villian so far has been bluffs or marginal pairs.

Hero HJ ($236)
Vilian CO (covers)
BB(Covers)

OTH

Dealt A7 HJ - Hero opens to $10

CO & BB call

Flop comes- 664 ($31)

BB leads $8

Hero calls

V 3! to $25 and BB without thinking tosses in the call

Pot ($89) action on me with $218(72bb) left

Hero Jams --- CO tank sigh calls --- BB folds

I thought about calling at the time but figured that I have enough fold equity especially with BB in the pot. Raising to $125ish leaves me with $93 behind, dont think thats much of an option.

If we are not raise/jamming with the nut flush here, what hands do we have in our range that does? We have the blockers to 67 A6 also short with 76bb remaining with ~30bb to win if both players fold.

Do you guys like a Jam here? Thoughts on over all play?
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08-22-2020 , 12:24 AM
If villain is a bluff monkey and BB is way too loose, it can't be terrible to rip it in with NFD + 2 overs + BDSFD since we're short. I suspect folding is better since raise plus overcall implies we are behind. What do you think their ranges are OP? Because that should inform our decision.
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08-22-2020 , 02:43 AM
I'd rather just raise the weak BB lead. And if not, just call again vs the 25 raise closing the action getting 5:1.

We barely have any 6x to begin with, and we probably don't backraise overpairs like this. I highly doubt CO would fold mid pairs, and BB clearly isn't gonna nit it up either.

This jam is probably +EV but at the same time seems way spewy also.
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08-22-2020 , 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
If villain is a bluff monkey and BB is way too loose, it can't be terrible to rip it in with NFD + 2 overs + BDSFD since we're short. I suspect folding is better since raise plus overcall implies we are behind. What do you think their ranges are OP? Because that should inform our decision.
BB - I put on random 4x hands(K4s, Q4s, J4s 54s) lower flush draws, gut shots, QK/QJ/TK/TJ with any diamond, 22-55 also seen villian bluff in mutli way pots with complete air.
some combinations of 44 or 6x hands but i would expect villian to check/raise these hands or bet larger on flop also we block most 6 combinations.

CO - 88-JJ, QJs, QKs, TKs, TJs, TQs, 66 44 A4

I'm expecting to see CO raise here with a lot of over pairs 77+ which we have pretty good equity against and potential FE. Possibly looking to protect their hand and will be in a tough spot if facing a jam.
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08-23-2020 , 07:31 PM
Why aren't we giving CO a whole bunch of A6ss/76ss/65ss (and a few more suited 6x if he's looser)? Our A & 7 are both diamonds; we block none of the suited 6x combos. Saying that V has some semibluffs and zero sixes is wish-ranging.

As for the hand... I'm raising the small flop lead. After flatting it, I think we need to just overcall the raise & hope to improve. The hands that fold to a shove are exactly the ones we have lots of equity against (worse draws, 4x, maybe some low/mid pairs). I'd rather overbet shove 87dd here.
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08-23-2020 , 08:55 PM
Unknown Vs don't fold pairs on paired boards in 1/3, ime. Yes, he's in a tough spot, but will sigh/call anyway.
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08-24-2020 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Unknown Vs don't fold pairs on paired boards in 1/3, ime. Yes, he's in a tough spot, but will sigh/call anyway.
Sure they do, or I would win a stack every time I have a big pair here. Of course it's less likely for us to generate a fold when we take a weird line. We would have mostly raised the donk bet if we had a pocket pair ourselves. Pretty much the only time I'd take this line with a big pair would be if I saw someone pre-loading a raise behind us.
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08-24-2020 , 09:30 AM
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Sure they do, or I would win a stack every time I have a big pair here
I generally do. I hear people disagree with this a lot, so maybe it's a regional thing, but I can usually get a V to GII over three streets with 88+ on a board like this in the Midwest.
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08-24-2020 , 12:26 PM
I'm guessing preflop is a fold. With this weird dynamic with the BB going all crazy preflop we simply have too many players behind us that will be tarping and/or looking to get it all-in preflop, so unless we're willing to do that against them with this hand (are we?) then I think we should just fold.

Think I might be ok with the whole flop plan. To me, CO likely has a biggish overpair hand, who flatted our little preflop raise hoping the BB would go crazy preflop. So we just call the little flop donk, wait for CO to raise his tarping hand, tarp the BB, and spring the trap with our FE + hand equity (although admittedly a little scary to do on a paired board so hopefully no one has what we're repping).

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08-26-2020 , 02:28 AM
I wouldn’t expect 88 to fold a jam but it’s possible.

I would normally raise vs this lead but since he’s spazzing out, let’s just call flop and hope he reps diamonds or the A if it hits. Raise is fine though if his betting range is going to be super weak.

As played I prefer to call flop.
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