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1/3 NL x/c line with 88 1/3 NL x/c line with 88

01-08-2018 , 04:18 PM
Hi guys, I don't play much poker anymore at all, but if I do, it's usually PLO. I would considered myself pretty bad at NL theory-wise, however I think that in this game I played in Paramaribo I may not be losing too much if at all, as sometimes the game is PLO as well, and, well, it's live.

Blinds are 10/25 SRD which is pretty much 1/3 USD, effective stacks are around 4000, it's 8 or 9 handed and I'm CO-1, I think there is max 1 limper in front of me:

Pick up 88, raise to 75, two callers behind me.
Flop: 279 rainbow, I check, guy after me checks, last guy bets 125, I call, the middle guy folds, heads up now
Turn: 3, I check/call 300
River: A, I check, he quickly bets 700 into ~1000

Did I play the hand well up until the river? What range do you put him on on each street? Is river a call?

I think he only ends up on the river with a value hand when he has sets or in some cases AK, however betting AK for value seems pretty light to me. Because his value range seems so capped, I'm inclined to think he's bluffing here quite often. He had shown in some PLO hands that he's not afraid to gamble fwiw.

Maybe a noob question, but I wanna beat this game before I leave in a couple of days
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01-08-2018 , 07:04 PM
75 is way too small a raise in a live game, especially after a limper. Sizing should be guided by how much people are willing to call. Ideal is a size that gets a couple callers. My standard in the game I play is 5BB + 1BB per limper.

I'd lead the flop because there's no reason to think just yet that you don't have the best hand, worse hands can call, and your hand is fragile so it would be nice to deny them some equity. Checking is reasonable too.

As played, the turn call is getting pretty marginal and you should probably fold, do you have any reads on this player though? Even just age/sex/ethnicity would be helpful. Sizing tells are pretty common at LLSNL, frequently their sizing communicates what they would like you to do. Here, both the turn bet and especially (because it's into two players) the flop bet are sized like he doesn't care if you call, or is even positively inviting it. If he had something like JT, I would generally expect sizing more like 200 than 125 OTF. Your equity is hurt by the fact that if he's winning, you have two outs, whereas if you're winning, he often has something like JT with 8 outs.

Having made it to the river, calling is definitely reasonable, because his sizing could be a bluff and he is definitely going to bluff this card if he has like JT. His value hands are sets, 97s and A9. I think it's close and this is a spot where any reads I have on the player and LIVE TELLS and so forth might come into play. My gut still says he does have one of his value hands, as it's most consistent with his actions through the hand and I am generally reluctant to credit a LLSNL opponent with a triple-barrel bluff without some read that they are capable of such things.
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01-09-2018 , 02:38 AM
ChrisV pretty much summed it up.

Raise more pre-flop.

You should usually bet the flop but check/call is fine.

After having check/called the flop, check/fold when he bets 300 into 325 on the 2793r turn. He's telling you he has K9+.

Having called the turn, I personally like to call this river because villain bet when checked to on the flop, villain is betting large despite hero having demonstrated weakness and villain is only representing a very thin range of hands.
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01-09-2018 , 03:25 AM
The turn bet is 300 into like 500, not into 325 (btw OP, it's a good idea to state the pot on each street for this reason).

I don't tend to read much into the river sizing, it's consistent with both a bluff and a good value hand imo. Villain may be sick of stringing hero along and wants to get dat value. 700 could be his version of "small" sizing, i.e. I have a set and I want to bet full pot, but it doesn't seem like he has much, so I'd better "only" bet 70% of pot. Whether you call sort of depends on which you think is a more important factor, the fact that villain reps fairly narrow or the fact that his betting on earlier streets didn't look designed to induce a fold.

Edit: You could argue that he's just betting because he was checked to OTF. It depends how the game plays. My regular game is passive and people don't generally bet just because they're last to act and have been checked to.
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01-09-2018 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
The turn bet is 300 into like 500, not into 325.
Oops. Correct! My bad.
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01-09-2018 , 01:02 PM
Thanks guys, makes sense
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01-09-2018 , 06:14 PM
Results?
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01-09-2018 , 06:19 PM
folded in game
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