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Originally Posted by PardoG
100 additional call to boat up is that bad of a call on the turn? Or just not optimal - IE should have either checked back the turn and just evaluated river or bet folded?
Between checking back turn or bet folding which is optimal?
I would check behind in this spot most times. Posts below were excellent regarding why. Given the pre-flop read on villain, I don't hate the bet/call though. If I am bet/calling the turn, I'm definitely tanking the river shove and hating both of my options. This open shove on the river in this spot is so often the nuts, but I think the nuts leads the turn more than c/r. We didn't 3-bet pre and our flop bet looks like any standard bet from the button when checked to, the c/r from villain seems a bit aggro i.e. may read us weak (we've so far made no real show of strength) and thinks we may fold to the move on the scare card, but we don't fold. What's our range look like to him now that we call the big c/r on the flush card?? KxQs, AsJx, AsTx, QsTx I think are more likely for him to put us on than top 2 or a set w/ no
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OTR...is this villain checking any river, barring whichever card dropping that either F's him or he perceives F'd him, after making that move on the turn? We also beat two hands easily capable of making that move that I don't think were mentioned, AsAx and AsKx (we didn't 3-bet pre, his check/call and c/r make sense for both given that we've shown no aggression). I don't know how 1/3 is at the Wynn but where I play "opening wide" can include opening with 6h2h and 4s7s from EP in both 1/3 and 2/5 (specific examples from this past week off the top of my head). As played, like Javanewt put it, it's a table soul-read on the river. The specifics of the bluffs you mentioned he got called on, how wide you've noted his opening range to be, and whatever else you observed from him throughout the night and this hand also play a factor in your decision to bet/call the turn and whatever decision you made on the river.
3-bet pre ("which I feel like I should be doing 70-80 percent of the time here in this spot but oh well)" sounds just like something I say in my head far too often
Flop is fine as it went.
Check back on turn. Consider folding to c/r.
As played, puke and call river. You're not calling the $100 on the turn if you think you're behind and have a 4 outs. T
is obv not a pure blank but far from disaster.