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Old Yesterday, 04:37 AM   #1
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1/3 NL Unsure what to do w/ this straight

Typical loose passive 1/3 casino game, $300 effective stacks.

I'm in CO with 10-7. Button straddles to $6, so I'm second-to-last to act PF. 5 callers, I call $6, button checks. $42 pot

J, 8, Q, checks to me, I bet $25 hoping to take it down here. BB and cutoff call. I've been playing w/ both of them for about 2 hours. Both seem solid, maybe a bit loose PF, but nothing too crazy. BB hands shake like crazy when she has a big hand. $92 pot

Turn comes 9

BB bets $70, UTG calls. I have a made straight and a flush draw.

What do you guys do here? Flat call? Shove?

FWIW, I don't think that UTG is calling $70 here with a draw based on how she's been playing. I def don't think BB is leading the turn for $70 into two players without a made hand, plus her hands were shaking like crazy.
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Old Yesterday, 05:50 AM   #2
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Re: 1/3 NL Unsure what to do w/ this straight

PF call is marginal. Not sure why you think you'll take down the pot with 5 other players in the hand when you have a gut shot draw on the flop. On the turn, the BB was so impressed with your hand that she donk bet you. You have a 1 card straight and a flush draw. I'd call the turn, but I'd suggest for you to fold because you're likely to call a big bet on the river on a blank and lose more money.
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Old Yesterday, 07:35 AM   #3
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PF call is marginal. Not sure why you think you'll take down the pot with 5 other players in the hand when you have a gut shot draw on the flop. On the turn, the BB was so impressed with your hand that she donk bet you. You have a 1 card straight and a flush draw. I'd call the turn, but I'd suggest for you to fold because you're likely to call a big bet on the river on a blank and lose more money.
I dont understand this advice at all. We have the 2nd nuts and a redraw to the flush. If one of them has KT, good for them. Im shoving my chips all in.
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Old Yesterday, 07:44 AM   #4
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Re: 1/3 NL Unsure what to do w/ this straight

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Old Yesterday, 07:46 AM   #5
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Re: 1/3 NL Unsure what to do w/ this straight

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I dont understand this advice at all. We have the 2nd nuts and a redraw to the flush. If one of them has KT, good for them. Im shoving my chips all in.
+1. Unlikely caller has KT when he flats.
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Old Yesterday, 10:41 AM   #6
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Re: 1/3 NL Unsure what to do w/ this straight

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PF call is marginal. Not sure why you think you'll take down the pot with 5 other players in the hand when you have a gut shot draw on the flop. On the turn, the BB was so impressed with your hand that she donk bet you. You have a 1 card straight and a flush draw. I'd call the turn, but I'd suggest for you to fold because you're likely to call a big bet on the river on a blank and lose more money.
You think the flop bet was a bad move? I find that in these games I can often take down a pot on the flop with a bet in this situation so long as I don't get crazy with it. in this case I figured there was some small chance that I take it down on the flop, and some decent chance that I improve should I get called. OTOH, I take your point that it's a lot of players to semi-bluff into.

Also, you think 10-7s in late position against all these players, in a straddled pot doesn't offer good enough implied odds? I dunno, PF call is pretty standard for me in this situation. But wtf do I know
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Old Yesterday, 10:42 AM   #7
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fold pre
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Old Yesterday, 10:46 AM   #8
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Re: 1/3 NL Unsure what to do w/ this straight

PF is marginal. Semi-bluff OTF is fine with a million outs, imo, but with two face cards, it's likely that someone has one in a multi-way limped pot. The bet is more to make more when you hit than to win it here, though occasionally that will happen.

AP, rip it in. You're usually free-rolling against a random T.
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Old Yesterday, 12:17 PM   #9
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Re: 1/3 NL Unsure what to do w/ this straight

I'm ok with preflop, although we will be OOP to one and some hands have decent RIO. But I'm hoping my position / play will allow me to figure stuff like that out postflop. Folding is also completely fine, imo.

I don't mind a flop stab. It has a little FE and otherwise we have a fairly decent draw and might be able to give ourselves some options on the turn (a possible double barrel, a possible free card, etc.). I don't hate a check back either, especially since none of our draws are to the nuts.

I probably mostly shove the turn. There is definitely a chance we're behind, but there is also a chance we're on a freeroll (although it's possible someone else is sucking up our outs / making our outs dirty).

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Old Today, 04:12 AM   #10
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Re: 1/3 NL Unsure what to do w/ this straight

What ended up happening on the turn is BB bet $70, UTG called, I pushed for $260 and got called by both. BB had 10-rag, UTG had K10 nuts and I missed my flush. I really didn't expect UTG to turn over K-10, I would have expected it much more from BB in that spot with that board. Just wanted to check my thought process, which was basically that there was a good chance that I was getting called by at least one with a high likelihood of a split pot and free rolling to a better hand. If I got stacked by the nuts, I could live with it.
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Re: 1/3 NL Unsure what to do w/ this straight

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What ended up happening on the turn is BB bet $70, UTG called, I pushed for $260 and got called by both. BB had 10-rag, UTG had K10 nuts and I missed my flush. I really didn't expect UTG to turn over K-10, I would have expected it much more from BB in that spot with that board. Just wanted to check my thought process, which was basically that there was a good chance that I was getting called by at least one with a high likelihood of a split pot and free rolling to a better hand. If I got stacked by the nuts, I could live with it.
Shove is fine, but fold pre mate, 3gappers like this are terrible hands. Muck J8s too. T8s/J9s are ok usually but with a straddle in play I muck them too.
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3gappers like this are terrible hands.
I agree that 3gappers suck (which is why I never play them), although in this case we have a 2gapper (preflop is marginal but I don't think it's horrible).

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Re: 1/3 NL Unsure what to do w/ this straight

Pre-flop isn't as bad as people are saying. If you run T7 suited through PokerStove, it performs similarly to suited one gappers and connectors, and almost everyone is calling 87 suited here. You have good position as well.

The second nuts and a redraw is a pretty obvious shove. Indeed, that's exactly why it is nice to have redraws-- you have equity against everything.
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