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Originally Posted by kimoser22
Have you played LLSNL lately? Vs call with naked FDs, especially ones described as spots... and with AdKd, other combo draws he prob still calls, he was towards the bottom of his range...We get value from the rest of his range...now knowing that he folds naked draws to 2/3 sized bets you can adjust accordingly...
yes i have. and no they don't call near pot sized all-in(90bbs) with naked flush draws on the turn on a paired board. not even level 1 spots as described in OP. shoving this turn is terrible and i find it amusing that anyone thinks otherwise.
hands like AKdd and KTdd probably just get it in on the flop since V is OOP so the chance of him having those hands are reduced.
i knew villain would fold draws before results were posted. and made hands are going to get it in by the river anyways. what does shoving this turn accomplish that betting $100 turn and $160 river doesnt? you guys seriously think we are missing value from draws by making a suck bet on the turn instead of jamming? we block a Q so villains hand is weighted towards having a draw and other pairs. our suck bet on the turn targets those hands perfectly. and when we make a strong all-in later against competent opponents who were paying attention to this hand we will get called down light because they will reason that we play our nutted hands meekly.