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Old 10-10-2013, 03:47 AM   #1
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1-3 NL - TT UTG against unknown

V1 is super loose aggressive player playing like over 50% of the hands he is being dealt. He is splashing around a lot and everyone is talking about how he is stuck for over $3K.
V2 is unknown at this point but seems both tight and inexperienced

Stacks:
Hero has $600
V1: $1000
V2: $600

Preflop: (9 handed)
Hero is dealt TT UTG and raises to $12, V1 is MP and calls $12, V2 (SB) calls $12, BB folds

Flop: 942 (pot=$39)
V2 checks, Hero bets $25, V1 raises to $50, fold to V2 who calls $50, hero reraises to $150, V1 folds, V2 calls

Turn: 942 (8) (pot=$389)
V2 (I'm about 50% sure I hear a subtle sigh) checks, hero?
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:20 AM   #2
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Re: 1-3 NL - TT UTG against unknown

Check for pot control.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:30 AM   #3
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Re: 1-3 NL - TT UTG against unknown

Yeah, I think I'm checking back here.

I mean, you don't beat much but a bare 9. 35. If he's splashing around a lot he could easily show up with 89 now.

Do you have any idea how he plays preflop? Is he 3-betting JJ against you? QQ? KK? Etc.

Are you turning TT into a bluff on the turn and trying to get him to fold JJ or QQ?
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:30 AM   #4
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Re: 1-3 NL - TT UTG against unknown

Did he "give away" any verbal tells or reverse tells earlier in the session that you noticed?
Did he slowplay any strong hands earlier on, that also got to showdown?
Without knowing the answers to those questions, I am inclined to shove here. I have created a massive pot and am inclined to play more straightforward here. If he has 98s or 98o, f_ _ _ it, otherwise I am ahead of his calling range. Any river 9, J, Q, K, A + his aggression makes me uncomfortable and I'd rather make the simpler play. If I was taking the pot control line, then I would have done this on an earlier street when the pot wasn't so big.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:33 AM   #5
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Re: 1-3 NL - TT UTG against unknown

Well he pretty much has to have a set or JJ+ here...unless he's a total idiot to play 9x this way. Check turn I guess.
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:37 AM   #6
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Re: 1-3 NL - TT UTG against unknown

Check. You lose to anything that he would reasonably call a bet with.

Check back the river if possible. If V bets the river, you have a tough decision. If you have reason to believe he will take a stab at it on the river, I might call up to a $130 bet. Any higher, I probably fold.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:27 PM   #7
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Re: 1-3 NL - TT UTG against unknown

Super weird that a $12 raise (which is quite small, imo) managed to narrow the field to 3way at a table with some deep stacks, plus a spew monkey in the pot (where you'd think the rest of the table would be calling with napkins just to get in a pot with him). I can't argue with the result (3way, an SPR where we have lots of wiggle room) though.

If V1 is super aggro, I might just check and let him bluff his way into oblivion.

Alarm bells should be clanging in our head when tight V2 coldcalls V1's raise on this super dry board. I would seriously consider folding at this point, although I could understand calling due to the good odds (you could argue we actually have the odds to chase our 2 outer here with these stacks). I hate the 3bet. I just think we're building way too big a pot with a mediocre hand here (and you could probably argue have committed ourselves thanks to leaving < PSB left and we's still has an overpair on the turn).

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Old 10-10-2013, 12:37 PM   #8
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Re: 1-3 NL - TT UTG against unknown

I'd check for pot control ip, probably river as well.

Tight and inexperienced, so probably re-popping a set even on a dry board. Instead, I'd weight his range more toward over pairs, perhaps 99.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:45 PM   #9
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Re: 1-3 NL - TT UTG against unknown

Preflop is fine. C-bet is fine. I would fold to the raise and the cold call, though. You are most likely beat, and with the aggro player, you will end up playing for near stacks with most likely the worse hand.

As played, I'd check/fold turn. And check/fold river.
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Old 10-10-2013, 01:01 PM   #10
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Re: 1-3 NL - TT UTG against unknown

V2 range is pretty narrow(set,set,set) after he check calls the raise and then calls the re-raise.

Check back Turn.

Fold to a bet on the River or check back unimproved.
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Old 10-10-2013, 01:30 PM   #11
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Re: 1-3 NL - TT UTG against unknown

I agree with the pot control as played.

What are we trying to accomplish with the 3b on the flop?

IMO, we're in a pretty crappy spot here now since the pot is huge, and we have an extremely vulnerable overpair.

I'm pretty lost here after we 3b the flop.
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Old 10-10-2013, 01:48 PM   #12
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Re: 1-3 NL - TT UTG against unknown

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Yeah, I think I'm checking back here.

I mean, you don't beat much but a bare 9. 35. If he's splashing around a lot he could easily show up with 89 now.

Do you have any idea how he plays preflop? Is he 3-betting JJ against you? QQ? KK? Etc.

Are you turning TT into a bluff on the turn and trying to get him to fold JJ or QQ?
I don't see him 3betting JJ or QQ in this situation. I really don't think I would be turning my hand into a bluff on the turn either against these hands.

Earlier (this game plays 3 round of hold'em one round of Omaha) he had called a pot size bet for the rest of his chips with just AAxx oop and got extremely lucky to hold against a couple of monster draws that were AI at the same time so I do tend to think that he is kind of a fish.

I think some of his range consists of A9, Q9s ect... but I'm not really sure how much. If I check for pot control I really don't see him betting AI with a bare 9x on the RVR but then again who knows.
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Old 10-10-2013, 01:54 PM   #13
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Re: 1-3 NL - TT UTG against unknown

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Super weird that a $12 raise (which is quite small, imo) managed to narrow the field to 3way at a table with some deep stacks, plus a spew monkey in the pot (where you'd think the rest of the table would be calling with napkins just to get in a pot with him). I can't argue with the result (3way, an SPR where we have lots of wiggle room) though.

If V1 is super aggro, I might just check and let him bluff his way into oblivion.

Alarm bells should be clanging in our head when tight V2 coldcalls V1's raise on this super dry board. I would seriously consider folding at this point, although I could understand calling due to the good odds (you could argue we actually have the odds to chase our 2 outer here with these stacks). I hate the 3bet. I just think we're building way too big a pot with a mediocre hand here (and you could probably argue have committed ourselves thanks to leaving < PSB left and we's still has an overpair on the turn).

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I think I disagree with the 3 bet on the flop now. My thinking at the time was that V1 is super loose aggressive and can have anything and V2 might be a complete fish so I should just raise both for value and to thin the field.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:45 PM   #14
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Re: 1-3 NL - TT UTG against unknown

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I don't see him 3betting JJ or QQ in this situation. I really don't think I would be turning my hand into a bluff on the turn either against these hands.

Earlier (this game plays 3 round of hold'em one round of Omaha) he had called a pot size bet for the rest of his chips with just AAxx oop and got extremely lucky to hold against a couple of monster draws that were AI at the same time so I do tend to think that he is kind of a fish.

I think some of his range consists of A9, Q9s ect... but I'm not really sure how much. If I check for pot control I really don't see him betting AI with a bare 9x on the RVR but then again who knows.
Meh. I would take absolutely ZERO info from the Omaha hand and label someone a fish based on that. I am an Omaha fish. I am not a NL fish.
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