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04-11-2015 , 02:34 PM
Hero($500,UTG): Just sat down like 25 mins. aggressive image
V1($175,SB):30s white man with sunglasses. First time play with him, not too much read
V2($280,BB):regular. Not important

Hero raises to 15 UTG with AKo. SB calls, BB calls.

Flop($45)- A47r

Check,Check, Hero bets 20, SB calls, BB calls

Turn($105):8r
check, check, Hero bets 35, sb calls, bb folds.

River(175): T

SB all in $125. Hero?????

set? two pairs? or air? I was totally lost
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04-11-2015 , 04:20 PM
You need to bet more on flop (not much, $25 or $30) and way more on turn. As played, I'd say you are toast to two pair. Maybe he got lucky and had 56, but not sure he'd check that on the turn. Fold is probably wise, but you bet so low your hand is under-repped. I'd still probably fold and NEVER show.
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04-11-2015 , 04:28 PM
The math isn't right. If the eff stacks at the beginning of the hand are 175, then his shove should have only been 105

I'm probably not folding TPTK with an SPR of 3-4 very often. No flush, no obvious straight, I probably just go with the hand, expecting to pay off 2 pair kinda often.

But, if we had bet bigger on the flop, and on the turn, it would be a snap call and whatever happens happens.
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04-11-2015 , 05:00 PM
Gotta bet bigger flop and turn. Like 30-40 OTF and then 3/4 pot on the turn. As played, you bet less than half pot on the flop and one third pot on the turn. Your bets look weak so it's hard to know if he hit AT or if he thinks you have little and can be bluffed.
You self-describe as an aggressive player. Your small bets on the flop and turn don't line up with that statement. In general, I like to bet around 3/4 pot.
If you had bet bigger flop and turn, then you'd be getting a price to make an easy call on the river. As played, I think fold river.
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04-11-2015 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ThrirtyThree
Hero($500,UTG): Just sat down like 25 mins. aggressive image
V1($175,SB):30s white man with sunglasses. First time play with him, not too much read
There's no way no information was up for grabs after 25 minutes. After 10 minutes you should know the guy's life story.

Check/call, check/call, lead (CCCCL, which I'm calling 4CL for short) is the most nutted oop line in 1-2, nothing else comes close. 1-pair is trash here, I'd be folding all 2-pairs also.
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04-11-2015 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by eldiesel
Check/call, check/call, lead (CCCCL, which I'm calling 4CL for short) is the most nutted oop line in 1-2, nothing else comes close. 1-pair is trash here, I'd be folding all 2-pairs also.
So what do you think about the bet sizing here then? If we had bet 30/40 on teh flop and 60/80 on the turn, would you still fold if villain shoves for his last $50ish on the end?
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04-11-2015 , 05:48 PM
15 15 15 pre
($45) 30 30 30 otf
($135) If the guy has $110 left I'd bet $110, not $60. V2 is also in the hand still but he flatted pre and checked 2 streets, I'm not worried about him. Actually betting $100 would be great because then when V1 shoves $110, he needs to show first.
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04-11-2015 , 10:28 PM
i would fold here. can't think of much that we beat.

next time consider betting a bit bigger on earlier streets, may make river a trivial call
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04-11-2015 , 11:35 PM
I fold. 65 turned the straight, 2 pair is possible, there really isn't much to bluff except for the spewiest whiffed wheels draws. You need to work on bet sizing other streets.
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04-13-2015 , 01:27 PM
Preflop depends on looseness of table, size of most likely stacks to go up against, etc. We narrowed the field to 3way and in position no less, so decent result.

With these stacks, I'd feel committed against shorter V1 but not against bigger V2. I'm fairly cool with the small flop bet on this dry board.

Difficult turn spot, because I feel committed against one villain but not the other. The only draw got there on the turn, and we're up against two opponents. Any bet will most likely tie us to the pot against the villain I don't want to be committed against. So I probably check this back and see what happens on the river.

Well, it's a little unfortunate that the villain I sorta feel committed against is the one calling us down and shoving the river. I don't think this is ever a bluff as there really ain't any missed draws he could be bluffing. We're behind a lot of Ax hands, and the only draw got there on the turn, and he could have had us crushed on the flop. Without reads, I probably stick with my commitment plan against him, but it's a really gross spot; I'm basically hoping he's just betting with a Ax that we're beating cuz he doesn't know what else to do. But at the same time, I almost feel like we're never good here, especially since he did call the turn in a 3way pot as well.

ETA: I don't hate the bet sizing as much as everyone else (and, in fact, lean towards checking the turn behind). Bigger bets on earlier streets are fine *if* we are fine with committing stacks. As I say, I'm cool with committing on the flop against V1, but I'm not cool with committing against V2. And because of this, I think we have to err on the side of caution and play against V2, not V1, until (hopefully) things start sorting themselves out by the turn (which, unfortunately, they did not).

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