$1/$3 NL Top & Bottom Pair facing shove OTT
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 113
Villain 1: Mid 60's reg, seen him in the room on many visits, never played with him. Has been fairly active, but showing a pretty straightforward playing style. A particular hand prior he was facing 2 all-ins holding JJ in MP. The player on my left (poker dealer there off the clock, knows the V well, has him covered) announces that there is only one hand that beats his and suggests V folds. V puts his hand face up and tanks for about 3 minutes. Player/dealer specifically says "you only have 2 outs if you call, save your $$." V calls and gets steamed when the KK is tabled and wins. Walks off for about 10 minutes to the ATM.
Villain 2: mid 40s, in town for work, ABC player, bets top pair until he gets pressure from a raise and lets it go. 4 hands in says to me "I haven't seen a face card yet." I think he was just trying to get some conversation going. He's on my direct right and has flashed me his hands almost every time or tells me what he folded.
Hero: 40, TAG to nit, got crippled earlier when I sat down and flopped a flush only to be beaten by flopped nut flush. Chipped back up and hit a monster pot when our table was picked for a splash pot (extra $100 in the middle at the start of the hand).
V1: OTB stack = ~$200
V2: SB stack = ~$125
Hero: BB stack = ~$350
Table is now 5-6 handed
UTG limps, MP/LP fold, V1 BTN limps, V2 SB raises to $6, Hero BB (K7o) calls, everyone else calls.
Flop: 78K rainbow (pot $19 after rake)
V2 SB bets $15
Hero calls: after the hand I think I should have raised here, but I saw V1 pulling chips as if he was about to pop a big raise, so I was going to call/raise.
UTG folds, V1 calls...not raise.
Turn: Q
V2 bets $30, Hero calls, V1 shoves for his last $175-$180ish.
V2 folds. Hero?
I am confident V2 had some sort of Kx hand (maybe KJ, K10s??). V1 limps OTB so I am ruling out any pair he could have flopped a set with. He has not shown any deceptive play and typically raised all shown pairs in position. I would also think he is raising OTB w KQ after all the limps. Is this a simple call or fold holding 2 pair vs V1?
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 262
U should have just play ur hand by raising on flop, now if u face a 3b, its a fold. if u face a call, u can check call on turn Q. then check/call river since his hand have Kx a lot, and i dont think its any reason for him not leveling himself on making value bet. As play, u got to call cause he is still holding Kx so often there as well as Q8,Q7. KQ doesnt really have to raise pre imo. So yeah got to call there
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 36,104
Lol at table talk in history hand when another player is involved in the pot.
I would just fold preflop. Sure, we'll be getting decent immediate odds (if no one limp/raises), but our hand is complete crap and we'll be OOP to the majority of the field (plus bad relative position to the raiser first to act).
SPR is less than 10 against all players (I'm assuming against UTG limper as well). KK is unlikely given preflop action. We have blockers to 88. K8 seems an unlikely crap hand to run up against. So I feel committed with this hand.
I guess I don't hate the flop call. V2 has been known to give up TP quickly, so I'm cool with stringing him along. We can still play for stacks against V1 easily enough by just flatting the flop (and it would be nice if he raised for us, thus perhaps trapping V1). Board isn't too drawy. But when I feel committed (which I do on this board) I sometimes like just going ahead with commitment (and raising) before a difficult card can come which might change my mind.
The turn card is one of those gross cards that can change our mind. However, pot is now $65. V1 only has $104 left, and I still feel pretty committed against him. V2 has $180 left, I'm not feeling quite as comfortable against him, although wouldn't he have raised preflop?
I don't love the turn card but I still feel committed. Plus we've under-repped our hand postflop. I call and feel pretty good about it.
I don't mind the way we played postflop if our plan was to underrep our hand in order to shove the river to get the rest of the chips.
GcluelessNLnoobG
Join Date: Feb 2014
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Fold pre-flop.
As played, raise big on the flop.
As played, fold to the turn shove. It feels weird folding 2 pair on a dry board less than 70 BBs deep, but from an ABC player in his 60's, this is KQ, 88, or an unlikely 77 too often to call.
Join Date: Dec 2011
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Raise flop. I'm not folding here.