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12-12-2014 , 10:24 PM
Friday night, Edgewater casino in Canada

Hero: late 20s white male. Just sat down hour and a half ago. Very first hand, UTG straddles for 5, UTG+1 raised to 15, next player calls, I 3bet to 55 with 200 stack, folds back to UTG+1 who raised to 130, folds to hero who goes AI, UTG+1 calls and my KK holds up. Taken a few stabs since then but nothing beyond a flop. Stack $360

Villain 1: 50s Chinese male. Had the shortest stack when I sat down with 70 but has been in the action. Calls straddles and subsequent raises, fit or fold post flop but catching cards and draws. Stack has fluctuated between 30 and 180. Loose fish for the most part. Stack $37

Villain 2: 30s/40s east Indian male. One to my left but there's a big guy between us so I haven't noticed him much. Straddles every other orbit it seems but somewhere in the middle as far as gambly for the table goes. Thinking player, most hands I've seen him in he's IP. On the looser side, as he sees a lot of flops including those with straddles, but I haven't seen many of his holdings. One of 2-4 players calling the 15 opens for straddles and mixing it up. Made his large stack from value-towning OMC at our table with AA, raise pf, bet flop, shove turn for PSB. That was about a half hour ago, no big action before or sense. Stack $450

Table has been good action, 3 players regularly straddling and 3 more that sometimes do. Mostly people trading $45 pots back and forth, but there has been 3 big all ins since I sat down, including my own.

On to the hand!

Villain 2 in UTG straddles for 5, Villain 1 in UTG+2 calls 5, folds to Hero in SB who 3bets to 35 with QQ, villain 2 calls after 5 sec of thought, villain 1 goes all in and both hero and villain 2 call the extra $2.

Flop: T 3 5
Pot: $105

Hero bets 65, villain 2 tanks for 10 sec before calling.

Turn: T 3 5 2
Pot: $245

Hero...?

Curious what the best route is here, as I have over a PSB left with $260 but having a hard time ranging him on hands that would call anyways. Is this a value bet situation or shove or something else?

Thanks in advance

Last edited by NebDanger; 12-12-2014 at 10:32 PM.
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12-12-2014 , 10:59 PM
I'm betting something on the smaller side that he won't be able to resist calling with Tx or 77 or whatever. Maybe like $100.
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12-13-2014 , 12:07 AM
Haha I loved Edgewater! Too bad I moved out of Vancouver..

I'd say its a pot sized bet or more here.
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12-13-2014 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by matzah_ball
I'm betting something on the smaller side that he won't be able to resist calling with Tx or 77 or whatever. Maybe like $100.
+1..Tx hands will probably fold to the slight overshove.
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12-13-2014 , 12:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by matzah_ball
I'm betting something on the smaller side that he won't be able to resist calling with Tx or 77 or whatever. Maybe like $100.
I like this. Imo you need to focus on keeping his continuing range from folding and that seems to be a less than PSB.
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12-13-2014 , 03:48 PM
Flop: T 3 5
Pot: $105

Hero bets 65, villain 2 tanks for 10 sec before calling.

Turn: T 3 5 2
Pot: $245

Hero bets 110, villain 2 thinks for 10 sec and goes all in. Hero...?
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12-13-2014 , 04:31 PM
We can't put all that money in and now fold.

SPR is less than one at this point.

Crying call.

But don't be surprised if your hand is good.
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12-13-2014 , 04:32 PM
This is not the first time you've referred to a 1/3 game at Edgewater. Are you sure it's not 1/2 (with a $5 straddle)?

As played, I think you are in trouble here. The only hand you should be beating is JJ, and I expect that AA/KK are still in this guy's range. I expect that if you call this, you will be shown AA/KK/QQ/JJ/TT, maybe 55/33, and nothing else.
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12-13-2014 , 04:39 PM
Yeah, it's 1/2. I always mess it up because of the $300 buy-in
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12-15-2014 , 05:31 PM
One thing to possibly consider preflop is doing a lol small raise size to induce V1 to shove and re-open the betting, where we can then reraise. But it is risky, so I'm cool with the ~10% of stack open.

I feel committed postflop due to having the overpair and getting in a huge percentage of my stack preflop. If he called off ~10% of his stack preflop and hit, nice hand sir, you get all my chips.

The board is bone dry, so I'm cool with smallish bet/bet/shove. If board was drawy, I would have bet bigger on the flop to setup a turn shove.

As played, even though board has become quite drawy, I probably continue thru with the bet small plan, so probably $100 to setup turn shove. I'm not folding. ETA: It sucks getting raised here, but I feel committed and believe there is enough JJ/Tx/picked-up-draws/WTFmoves in his range here.

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12-15-2014 , 10:30 PM
Thanks for the replies. In hindsight, I think making it 15 preflop so I can open the betting again if villain 1 goes all in would've been a better play, but there's no guarantee he goes all in instead of just calling the raise.

Results below
Spoiler:
As soon as v2 went all in I felt I was behind but also felt I couldn't fold because the great price I was getting.

Hero calls, river is a T and villain sheepishly flips over 35. Hero scoops
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12-20-2014 , 07:52 AM
I think it's a pretty standard line.

the turning point is our decision OTT. We should be calling almost 100% if we bet the turn, which is not a bad thing because we should be doing this for value. He may have sets here but I doubt he has KK+ here for they should call more often to induce us to bet river because its a very dry board and unlikely for us to have a set but more overpair.
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12-20-2014 , 08:47 AM
If you're behind on the turn you're not getting a good price to call. Best case you have eight outs and it's a fold.

Obviously the math changes if you think he does this with a hand you beat.
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