$1 / $3 NL, match the stack so plays deep, basically is 2/5.
$500 eff stacks.
I raise to $12 in EP with AcJs.
BTN, BB and 2 others call.
Flops is As Qh 5s
I bet out $30, BTN and BB call, others fold
Turn is Jc, BB checks, I bet $80, BTN and BB both call
River is 9d BB checks
At this point, I am certain the BTN was on a flush draw. My read on him is that he is a good hand reader, but not a disciplined player. He is splashy, shown down some bluffs, and is in for $2,000.
BB is like a solid recreational old guy who definitely thinks I am a TAG.
Should I be betting here? I checked, to induce a bluff from BTN. He of course bets $240. BB, confidently, quickly and without thinking or even looking me grabs two $100 stacks and stamps them down into the pot stating "I CALL."
Hero? Overcall with 2 pair here ? FWIW I was going to SNAP the btn before bb called.
Yeah I would call pretty quickly. If he had a set or straight on the turn you would've definitely have heard from him if he's the least bit competent. A lot of people in these games will call somebody who they think is bluffing pretty light even if there's a bettor or over-caller behind them, as they aren't thinking that deeply in the hand.
BTN can be bluffing or betting worse for value like A9/A5/QJ/Q9 and big blind can be calling sometimes even with top pair. But also with many two pair hands.
Rule of thumb for me is that I will always call if there are hands worse than mine that my opponent would bet for value.
As for the question if you should be betting, I'd say it's villain dependent. If you know the BTN to be bluffing a lot then of course check, if the players are going to call a lot which they most likely will, bet and get value from Ax and weaker two pairs with the intention of folding to a raise.
The good old call bluff : to call the guy you know is bluffing with trash hoping the other guy folds a marginal but better holding. No decision here, snap call it.
Dont do the good old call bluff yourself thought, it's not a good idea xD
AJo is a trivial preflop fold for me in EP. If we're going to do anything else, I think limp/folding it is likely better. Preflop result is nut low (OOP, multiway, bloated pot, with a hand that has super high RIO and very little IO, with a bluffer having position on us deep), imo.
Not a bad flop really as very few hands moved ahead (like basically just A5 and 55). Still, I'm either/or with betting versus check/evaluating OOP (especially with a bluffer behind us). If betting, I like our 1/2 PSB.
Next time post pot size on each street so we don't have to figure it out. Think I'm ok with our ~1/2 PSB on the turn.
If we're certain of our read then I'm fine with our check to induce the bluffer, although in 3way pots this is a little more suspect (as he'll be bluffing less and we could miss value against the other guy).
I think I make the overcall cuz I just don't see what the old guy can have that beats us and is played this way. His weakest better hand is AQ and wouldn't he put in a raise somewhere along the way on this drawy board multiway? I think he has enough Ax / QJ / bluffcatching bluffer to make an overcall here.
Hey guys thanks for all the responses. You are all correct to call here. It was just an awful fold. The BTN mucked instantly, and the BB tabled AJo (same hand as me) and scooped it. It was just an awful fold and I knew it before I even made it home that night. I felt like an idiot.
What can I do?
My buddy who is a great player told me, what is going to make me or break me is not the result of this hand but how I handle it moving forward.
My buddy who is a great player told me, what is going to make me or break me is not the result of this hand but how I handle it moving forward.
We all make mistakes. What mostly sets winning players apart from losing players is (a) the number of mistakes, (b) the size of the mistakes and (c) how things are handled during tough times (such as after a making a mistake).
Aces up cant be folded here but when OMC's snap they always have a big hand. Honestly 2pair is the bottom of his calling range so I understand your fear. Unlike thinking players who deliberate on how to extract value, old dudes just snap react to make a statement. But there are too many other draws and 2 pair combos to fold AJ.
Why didn't BB stop to at least consider a raise? (Stacks never went in.) It sounds like he might have the same read on BU that hero has. Instacall w/ loud, confident verbal is consistent w/ a call from solid old man who smells a bluff.
BB prolly has a strong hand but nothing close to the nuts. Not sure if BB calls pre with K10o - probably doesn't. Board was scary with draws by the turn. I think he would have check raised his sets. With all these hands he would have at least considered a shove on river.
Two pairs (or a bit less likely AK) are more likely holdings. Hero beats most of these. Hero is getting 3:1 to call. I think a call would be +EV although not always good. Go for it.
I'm playing in very loose games preflop-wise where people call with lots of garbage so AJof is no-brainer open for me UTG 9-handed. In tight games it might be a fold I guess.
Hey guys thanks for all the responses. You are all correct to call here. It was just an awful fold. The BTN mucked instantly, and the BB tabled AJo (same hand as me) and scooped it. It was just an awful fold and I knew it before I even made it home that night. I felt like an idiot.
What can I do?
My buddy who is a great player told me, what is going to make me or break me is not the result of this hand but how I handle it moving forward.
Just learn from your mistake and be better next time. Nobody became a good poker player over night.
FWIW (nothing?), in EP (and sometimes MP in aggro games) I fold AJo/KQo and limp AJs/KQs (the latter hands playing much better in high SPR pots than small SPR pots, imo, although in LP if we can thin the field I would consider raising).
FWIW (nothing?), in EP (and sometimes MP in aggro games) I fold AJo/KQo and limp AJs/KQs (the latter hands playing much better in high SPR pots than small SPR pots, imo, although in LP if we can thin the field I would consider raising).
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Unless there are only drooling Vs behind me, I also fold AJo and KQo from UTG to EP and limp AJs and KQs. Fully 15pct of the threads ITF are about a Hero in deep doo-doo oop with a marginal hand. AJo features prominently in many.
