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Old 01-09-2018, 01:37 PM   #1
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1/3 NL Multiway with sucker straight

Game in Paramaribo again. I have Q6 on the big blind, there are 2 limpers, sb makes it 100, we call, knowing that the limpers will call so we get decent odds. Probably -EV (?) but I'm there to have some fun too so I wanna see a flop.

Flop (pot=400): 27T, sb bets 300, everyone calls. I think my call is standard.
Turn (pot=1300): 8, everyone checks. Again standard I think.
River (pot=1300): 9, three checks, last guy bets 700, sb folds.
Note: the bettor is the same villain as in this thread.

After playing with him more, I have noticed that his aggression frequency is probably too high. I called him down two streets (after this hand took place) with K high on AA652 and won fwiw, not your typical passive live player, I'm pretty sure he's one of the winning regs.

Call for 700? What about other sizes? Really curious what range you put him on because I'm a little lost here. Also, what is the relevance of the player still to act after us?
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Old 01-09-2018, 01:44 PM   #2
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Re: 1/3 NL Multiway with sucker straight

Since you decided to play this hand pre, which I do not agree with at all -- call the river. However, if I were to call a raise in bb with this hand because I was "having fun" I'd raise the flop bet!
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Old 01-10-2018, 04:05 AM   #3
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Re: 1/3 NL Multiway with sucker straight

People are not going to understand that this is a 10/25 game in Surinamese Dollars.

Fold to the 4bb raise preflop.

As played, check/fold on the river.

When villain bets half-pot into 3 players on a 27T89r board, he has the J-high straight. If he doesn't have it, the other villain behind you might have it. JT, J9, J8 are all hands that would credibly call SB's flop bet.
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Old 01-10-2018, 09:55 AM   #4
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Re: 1/3 NL Multiway with sucker straight

Preflop is definitely a fold but whatever. Flop, turn standard.

Relevance of the player yet to act is low, although if the rest of the table has noticed villain is aggressive, the guy might try checking a jack to him. This looks like a fold in any case. It's unlikely he's trying a bluff into three players, and even if he was capable of that, he's unlikely to have a hand that he can be sure needs to bluff (for instance, if he has something like 97, he's going to check and hope that wins). He might have a 6, but he's more likely to have a jack, partly because there's some chance he doesn't bet a 6, partly because there are only three left in the deck, and partly because J is just a more commonly played card. There's also something of a selection bias at work here - what I mean is that you can sit and speculate about what this player might individually have, but the fact is that on a board like this the chances that one of your opponents has a jack are good and this guy just happens to be the guy who bet.
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Old 01-10-2018, 04:09 PM   #5
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Re: 1/3 NL Multiway with sucker straight

Shouldve included that its 10/25 SRD (1/3 USD) indeed, my bad. I agree with folding. Accidentally folded face up and got a surprised reaction from a reg, maybe he has more reads than I do. Still think a fold is correct
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Old 01-10-2018, 07:14 PM   #6
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Re: 1/3 NL Multiway with sucker straight

Nah people are just incapable of folding straights, he would have tossed the money in without even thinking about it, just in "well, can't fold this" mode.
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Old 01-10-2018, 07:15 PM   #7
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Re: 1/3 NL Multiway with sucker straight

Also if your hand got shown before villain mucked his hand, the chances he had a jack move to 100%.
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Old 01-11-2018, 02:32 PM   #8
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Re: 1/3 NL Multiway with sucker straight

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Also if your hand got shown before villain mucked his hand, the chances he had a jack move to 100%.
I think so too, especially since the other player also folded while stating he also had a six
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Old 01-11-2018, 04:37 PM   #9
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Re: 1/3 NL Multiway with sucker straight

So, none of you would take a stab at the river if everyone checked to you? I would. Was he calling the flop with JT, JsXs, J9 (and then checks turn?)? I would have looked him up.
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So, none of you would take a stab at the river if everyone checked to you? I would. Was he calling the flop with JT, JsXs, J9 (and then checks turn?)? I would have looked him up.
Problem is, what are these hands that limp preflop, call that flop and then need to stab river? A2 and A7 maybe? Starting to draw a blank after that, most hands have showdown value.

Also, if I was going to stab river, I might bet more than 700 to get rid of 6s.
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Old 01-12-2018, 11:51 AM   #11
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Problem is, what are these hands that limp preflop, call that flop and then need to stab river? A2 and A7 maybe? Starting to draw a blank after that, most hands have showdown value.

Also, if I was going to stab river, I might bet more than 700 to get rid of 6s.
Seriously? AT, QT, KT, T9, 44-66, 98, 97, AsXs, KsXs. Most people don't understand showdown value -- they are betting their hand or taking a stab.

Also, 700 looks value-y instead of bluffy, and again, most players don't think about this anyway. 700 did fold out the 6s
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Old 01-12-2018, 07:14 PM   #12
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Re: 1/3 NL Multiway with sucker straight

It’s about $85USD into ~$150USD pot? I call this against any decent or terrible or aggressive V. Only fold to nit or ABC player. Call and really not a hard call. FYI - I’m a spewy pay off wizard at times.

Should also note that turn checked through and river checked to LP here. 6 is ahead of way more of V’a potential range than i’d need to look him up.

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People are not going to understand that this is a 10/25 game in Surinamese Dollars.
And I was one of them! Thank you lol.
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