Limp pot. I'm on button
I cover all w/ $900+

Bunch of limps and I call on button w Qs3s
5 or 6 to flop
Flop Qc 2s 3c
Ck ck .. lead by average fish for $15, call
I make it $50

SB immediate asks "how much?" Then calls quickly , another call, fold. Then Re raise by $15 opener to $140, all in.
I call
SB then goes all in! Has $450 on top the $140 bet

To me - main pot now ~ $500 and side pot would be head up, all in with $450 for me to call

... If he had a set and just called to fade a straight / flush turn card - waiting for safe turn card----then I'm toast ... Drawing real thin

If he has straight & flush draw - I'm about 50/50 with that range Pot laying me 2:1

What else could he have but a set - 2's or 3's - that would act in that manner ?

Earlier He had made some oversized bets with hands that he was trying to protect form getting sucked out on.

Do you gamble here with a range that this is a draw / would any average player bet like that with a draw only ?

Why did you limp the button with Qs3s?

Some people may find it ok to limp this hand deep and on the button. But I'm not one of those people.

snap call! and collect the monies!

I would actually fold preflop as this hand can have high RIO postflop (where we are never totally comfortable getting in big stacks with 3rd nut flush, or top/bottom pair, or top trips / no kicker, or even bottom trips / 3rd kicker).

I'm not looking to go busto with 2 pair in a limped pot. So I don't want to play for stacks (even 50+bb stacks vs fishy donker, but there are others in the pot that we may have to consider too). When I don't want to play for stacks, I don't raise. So, even though the flop is somewhat drawy, I simply call the flop and evaluate the turn card/action.

Tricky spot facing the all-in by the fishy player the first time around. I mean, TWO other people (wtf?) called our raise and our still waiting to react behind us. What, everyone has a draw? I think calling is the worst option with so much money in the pot right now and still two people to react. I think we have to make up our mind now whether we are going with this hand or not. A lot would come down to reads on fishy all-in (although I'm not as concerned about him since we I'm sure we are getting awesome odds against him) as well as the two coldcallers behind us (especially whether these coldcallers are capable of slowplaying a set to this action on this board). I'm probably leaning towards a sigh fold (not going broke in a limped pot) at anything but the craziest of tables (where I'd shove).

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Agree w gg....it sucks but you had 900...u wanna blow all that on a Q3...u may be facing a 23 & a draw, but im getting out now

Limp .. Generally while I will raise 2/3 of all hands played , when IP I will limp ATC with rec players and watch to see what happens - I think more mistakes are made post flop than pre.

Action. --- If I misposted - the action is now to me to close the action
LP position player re raised and I called on button , then SB went over top with all in, the LP player is already all in, therefore my call is main pot 3 way ($500 or so) and side pot head up for $900 if I call

If you don't make easily avoidable mistakes pre-flop, you can't compound them post-flop. This hand is a good example of that.

Q3s is too weak and RIO to limp multiway.

On the button, I might raise it sometimes with the right table dynamic, but I hate calling pf.

As played, I can't see how you are ahead. Fold.

I also cant stand moves like this with 2 pair if one of them is a 2 or 3 bc even if you are good, anyone w a q has a ton of outs since a board pair screws you

I folded

Possible straight and flush draws or sets - did not think his player would put in $600 in pot and act like that with any less, and leaned towards set likely

He turned over K Q off. , while the 1st all in short stack turned over Q-3 off

Board went runner runner spades , Q -3 off scooped

I m now looking to play pots with said V

Why didn't you shove over the $140 ai?

You made a few critical mistakes, imo.

Your first mistake, I think, was being at the table at all with 300bbs. With so much in the pot, you might've re-raised over the 140 as Eld suggests, but possibly with so much on the table, at risk, you didn't pull the trigger. Fear of commitment can affect your decisions. Would you have folded if you only had 300-450 on the table? Still a tough decision, but allot easier than 700 (effective). Or mabe even tougher because commitment isn't a worry, and it goes down to math.
This is a huge leak imo. Try keeping a running tally over the session how many times you VP$IP, "saw a flop" with 4+ others, missed, and check-folded. Bet you probably cost yourself 1/4-1/2 a BI each sesh. This just bleeds your stack.

Then there are spots like this, where you flop a monster that could also be crushed, or counterfeited, but you can't get away from it because your crushing everyone's limping range.

I won't even get into my general view of limping in an average, generally passive LLSNL table (*cough* weak-sause *cough* *cough* loose/passive *cough* *Hatoo!*), but with ATC for marginal reasons ("ooo, they're soooted!"), you'll keep finding yourself in RIO land.

You might want to find better descriptors for Villains. "Rec fish" doesn't say much. He could be a nit, a loose/passive station, maniac spewtard...All these playing types fall under this description, but require different reactions when they're making or calling or raising a flop 3-bet. Rumchess's Guide thread is a great place to start with this.

Fold pre.. I play a lot of hands.by limping or calling a raise ip but those hands should have some post flop potential. Limping qx is pretty bad bro

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