Table of all regulars, many very good players, at least two who play full time.

Effective stacks ~300 and the table is deep all around.

Hero has AJ in middle position.

One limper in early position, Hero(MP) raises to 15, two callers behind, the blinds fold, and the EP limper calls.

Flop ~60 78j

EP limper checks, Hero(MP) bets 45, everyone calls.

Turn ~240 78j(2)

EP limper checks, Hero(MP) open shoves for ~250, first player behind Hero tanks and makes what appears to have been a huge fold, second player behind Hero tanks and calls, EP limper calls.

The turn was a brick and I had top pair with a busted nut flush draw. The two callers on the turn had 9To, and one of them had the Ts.

The player who made the huge fold said he folded a flush and went on tilt.

What do you make of this?

Meh.


Raise bigger preflop if you are going multi-way.



These are all good players? Sounds like a bunch of bingo playing calling stations.



Turn jam is somewhat thin. I wouldn't expect a flush to fold here.... However, you did get calls from worse. Nice hand.

I can't make much of this without any reads or descriptions on any of your villains. Getting called in 3 spots on the flop is a bit concerning especially since we have As, eliminating a popular flush draw.

No he got beat by flopped straights

I'm sorry, I was being sarcastic. I couldn't resist.


The thread is kinda pointless, as he posted the results already.

You open relatively big and get two callers who have position on you, and the EP limped calls.
You make a solid bet -- 3/4 pot, and it's also a decent size from the POV of just absolute sizing -- and get 3 calls.
Not sure who you think is going to fold when you ship.
Maybe someone has the naked Ks and will call the draw, but every other hand that can call has you beat.
Having As is a nice draw to go with your top pair, but, I'm kind of surprised only one V flopped the flush. I wouldn't think you'd have a lot of outs to hit the flush, and as it turns out, you only had 6 cards to win.
Given that you were called in 3 spots on the flop, someone likely has a flush, which hurts your outs.
Long winded way of saying that shipping turn -- $250 into ~$250 pot -- feels spew-y. Given that you're only about 12% to improve to a winner.

Shoving the turn is a semibluff and bluffs require fold equity. When three players call a super textured flop and the turn changes nothing, your fold equity is about zero.

I assume you didn't shove for value and knew TPTK was behind. If you're behind and can't successfully get your opponents to fold better, you should check.

A top pair hand is not the type of hand you want to play for stacks 100bbs deep.

Your turn play is not good at all.

What can call your shove? Only hands that beat you and there is a lot out there that beats you.

I check turn after I get 3 callers on flop.

Seeing a free card is good for you too

If those behind us are loose and tricky/good, I *might* consider just folding AJo here. Building a bloated multiway pot OOP against good/tricky players is a nightmare with this hand, so we sometimes do best just simply avoiding these spots.

I'd probably bet a lot smaller on the flop. Since we have the nut flush draw, we're not really concerned about offering good odds to draws (since we have the nut draw, and a couple of the straight draw outs are dirty). However, if we get raised on this board we are most likely behind, and possibly only drawing to our flush outs, in which case we would rather bet small so that we can profitably call a poorly sized raise. We also would like to enourage Ks/Qs type hands to come along for the ride since they are almost drawing dead. I'd probably bet like $25.

Next time don't post results.

Weird spot on the turn. I think at a fish filled table with just a PSB left on the turn, I would probably shove as well. Action at these types of tables indicate, even with all the callers, that we're probably ahead and don't want to let someone catchup hitting a 5/6 outer, and if we're behind we have a decent backup plan. Against better opponents, turn is a really tricky spot, and perhaps a check/evaluate is better.

ETA: I don't hate the turn shove as much as others, especially if fishy players. We only have a PSB left, so we could *possibly* feel committed, and giving 3 opponents a free card here might be bad *if* we feel committed. And we have a decent backup plan (upwards of 14 outs against 2 pairs, although with this action I'm assuming some outs are probably dead). I think it's a pretty gross spot at this point, and really feel earlier streets set this up (although I'm guessing we perhaps didn't expect 4way action to the turn).

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