1/3 NL 10 handed

Action:

Hero is in CO with Td7d. Button button straddles for $10. BB Calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, Button raises $25.

BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2calls, Hero ?

Profiles/Stacks:

UTG is mid-50's loose passive. He's not calling with everything, but a large percentage of his range is still calling OOP. ~$350

UTG+1 I haven't played with, younger Latino with headphones on, ~$150

MP2 is one of the better regulars in this game, is likely to be calling here with his entire range. Relatively skilled postflop player. ~$1100

Hero is a TAG player who just sat down. 3/4 of the people in the hand know my style pretty well. -$300

Button is one of our whales. 30s/40s Indian guy with a near infinite bankroll. On a crazy kind of night, it's not uncommon to see him and MP2 sitting $3-4k deep at this 1/3 game. Capable of betting ATC in any position, and loves to create action. ~$850

So, it seems like based on my math (which is something you should have done for future reference), you're getting 7.4:1 on a call (25 to win 185 pre flop). Is your question whether or not you should fold? Because, no, no you should not. Pretty clear call imo.

What are your intentions with the hand? Are you trying to take it right here? Are you trying to isolate one of the players? It's hard to narrow the field when so many players are likely to call your raise as many other will follow in suit. I think a call here is fine as you're in decent position. If you do raise which i dont recommend you do as you're gonna be bloating the pot and will only have enough for 2 bullets at most.

What? Flat.

$110 in the pot so far, shove seems OK if you're pretty sure everyone will fold but I don't like doing it with the hand you have.

Folding obviously isn't an option.

Since this seems pretty cut and dry, I'll finish this up.

I called, flop came Qd5d6c.

UTG shoves, UTG+1 called. I tank folded, Button called both.


This seemed pretty clear to me, the only reason I bring it up is my backer (who was at the table) later told me that this was an awful call, and should never be made against a giant stack out of position. He's a long term profitable player, with multiple WSOP cashes. I figured I'd post here for confirmation.

shoving is terrible, we rep nothing

i think this is a raise/fold scenario the first time around. now its a clear call

the call is fine...the mistake is the first call. as noted before-raise or fold here

on the flop, fold but fwiw calling vs a stack of 300 is the same as calling vvs a stack of 1200, 300 effective is 300 effective, tell your backer to remove his tourny mindset

I woulda just folded this the first time round preflop. Button likes action, which means simply calling is bad cuz we know there's a good chance this is going to get expensive (plus someone could be sandbagging a monster expecting the raise), and raising is bad cuz we know action button will probably call and now we're going to the flop HU OOP in a bloated pot.
I'd also get a seat change to the left of button, which will give us position on two of the deeper stacks / action / good players.

+1

@shoving:

I don't think what we rep is so important as if we think any of these guys are going to want to put their entire stack in preflop. You have additional info that they limped and passed up a chance for a l/rr so they can't possibly have very strong holdings. UTG+1 is the most likely to call here, but even if he is the only caller you still have $75 dead money.

If we shove, what percent of the time does hero expect to be called by each player? I would say near 0% for UTG and MP2, maybe 20% for UTG+1, 20% for button? Is that reasonable? Removing monsters from everyone's range, shove should be +EV here, right?

That said, I don't think I have the guts to ever shove here with this hand. It does seem like it's very +EV if you have a tight image though.

Also I fold the first time around too, but as played you cannot fold to a $15 raise in such a big pot. A big "WTF" @ the giant stack comment.

Tag and 10-7 suited calls dont really go together