V1(BB,$170): late 20s white man. Rec player who likes action. Chase straight draw, flush draw and bluffs if checks to him.

V2(BTN,$600): 50s white guy. Rec player and calling station. Play any two cards.

Hero(MP,$700): Probably tight image.

Preflop: Hero limps with 6c6s. 2 limpers. V2 limps. V2 checks.

Flop ($11) Ac6s2c

V1 bets $15. Hero raises to $45. V2 re-raises to $90. V1 goes all in.

What is the best move here? calling is strong. Raise? All in? What if V2 is a solid player. Are we raising/all in here like flush draw?

Anything you do here is going to be strong, although I guess a call could be taken as draw chasing and V2 might do our dirty work (i.e. shove) for us. Flatting does risk a scare card coming up to kill the action, but if we're willing to risk that then I think I'm ok with just flatting. Although flatting leaves us with about a PSB left for the turn but OOP; are we just going to donk anyways (perhaps donk shove)?

Geither/or,althoughIthinkIleantowardsflattopreventherofold sG

I probably go ahead and raise, although I see merits in flatting. Against a calling station, though, I just go ahead and raise (shove).

Min raise to make it look like you want to squeeze the other guy out and ISO the short stack. Also raise pre.

Anybody else running into a lot of crouching tiger hidden aces in these spots? I am seeing so many stations limping AA-KK even from the button lately it has to be coming from somewhere.

I really don't see V2 as described doing this with a draw, so his range is AA, A6, A2, 22. Maybe AK. If you have a read V2 could possibly do this with a draw, you should repop it to $350. If you range him as having zero draws here, not sure of the best play. Do we ever consider folding here if V2 jams?

Wow. The options seem close. Will definitely be interested in hearing others thoughts.

I guess I prefer raising to something like 215 and punting all non-diamond turns. I think V2 can convince himself you have two pair or a flush draw and shove 22 OTF if you raise to 215. Flatting here seems too strong and gives V2 too good of a price to see another card with the nut flush draw. If hero just shoves, flush draws are likely getting folded and some V2s may even find the fold button with 22 and only continue with AA.

I would expect V1 to show up with something like A6, A2, 26, 22. This is largely based upon your description that V1 has been chasing draws. Someone chasing draws is probably going to c/c and maybe c/r as opposed to over-bet lead/4bet into a muli-way pot. That leaves NFD in V2's range quite a bit, especially considering that he min (information) raised you, and probably would be scared of the flush draw if he had a set. He might even have AK and call OTF to a smaller raise.

Obviously puke the times V2 shoves AA here, but that number is likely less than the times he shoves 22 since even the stations usually raise AA pre on the button.

I'm really discounting AA from the Button after 3 limpers, but obviously it is always in play a small percentage of the time. But he's also playing 22 the exact same way so we're breakeven against that range (and 22 is played this way a lot more, plus we're crushing so many other hands that could play this way).

Gnotworriedaboutit,pukeifithappensG

I would usually agree and maybe it's just the stations at my room had some kind of meeting about over-limping AA-KK from late position but I am not kidding when I say I am seeing this 3-4 times a session where I would hardly ever see it before.

flat the raise from V1.

V1 almost always has a club draw here, and if you shove over the top, V2 might get away.

Also, with V1 having two clubs in his hand, something like K6,the odds are that a turns are small.

V2 probably has A2, so bet 250 on any turn that is not an ace. And then V2 will probably shove over the top. Or just wait and get the rest of it on the river.

Hero has 6c

It truly is amazing, but I see the same thing all the time, or flat calling a raise with a raiser and about 6 callers in front.

Yesterday, 1-2 game, the action goes UTG+1 raises to 12, everyone calls (6 callers), I'm in SB with JJ and decide to squeeze by raising to 100, I get called all in for less (about 80) and another all in for less (about 90 on the button), board runs out and I flip over JJ, BU flips over AA

Shove, I doubt V2 has a cold-3-b/f range. If he does it's a hand that's not putting in another cent anyway, he doesn't sound like a guy who's folding KQcc here.

Ya, I agree with it's very rare to see a cold 3bet / fold, so I could get behind a shove.

I kinda disagree that this guy is ever on a draw. He's described as a rec calling station; they cold 3bet draws on the flop?

I'm really torn between the two options; I don't want a scare card to kill my action, but I also don't want to enable him to make a hero fold of some weak ass two pair this deep.

Gwhatever,imoG

flatting is optimal. a shove gives him chance to fold AK A2. if u flat pot will be huge making it much harder for him to fold turn.

against good player....shove to make it look like iso. if u flat and then bet turn your hand is face up to a good player

Call, raise, shove all close imo. All have their merits, never seen a player that plays ATC (as op said) cold 3bet and then fold?

I don't know if he has draws, I'm just saying it's polar and he'll snap fold or think and call.

Shove.

H made a big raise already. Flat calling won't under rep the hand at all. It's clear that this is a big hand. I expect button to have 22 and I don't expect him to make a big fold. I expect early position bet/shove player to have a flush draw here much of the time.
Get it in now bc if a flush card hits, you don't want button to run away and leave you with a dry side pot.

I don't care if someone has AA here. If they played aces this way preflop and got this lucky to hit such an action flop, nothing you can do. No way you can fold middle set on this board against these stacks and with this action.

Jam.

Gii you need value before the clubs come.
I have never seen a cold 3b/fold on the flop at 1/2 or 2/5 (which is all I play live).

I raise. Lots of A2,22 A6 all make sense and will stack off.