I had been @ table for around an hour when this hand comes up. 1-3 nl ....I bought in for max300 and have about 255 in front of me. I have only played two hands so far besides the blinds and both of those I called a pfr and folded to c-bet. Most of the table has been raising 10-15 pre and getting 4-6 players to. Hero is dealt kk in early position and makes it 21 to go. Usually my raise amount is less but trying to thin the field
V1 300 next to act calls
V2 600 cut off calls
V3 1000 calls

Flop comes 10 62

Hero leads out for 60
V1 raises to 125
V2&3 fold

Hero?
I have been on my a game by and paying attention and can't even remember v1 playing any hands

It's fine to raise bigger in EP but don't just do it with your nutted hands do the same with the bottom of your range. So it's 4 way pot is 85 ish? Way too big of a cbet imo. Board is super dry there's no flush draws and just a few gutters. I would bet no more than 40.

As played, V1 raised into three villains after you made a big cbet on a flop with very few draws. Probably not bluffing or overplaying AT. OK to fold IMO with no reads.

I’m never folding. Only decision is how much to raise. I probably just jam based on stack sizes.

Also, I like the flop sizing. No reason to make it $40.

Villain most likely has a set or QQ/JJ. Make a read and go with it.

why would he raise a set on such a dry flop?

I think this is a "lemme see where I'm at" little raise.

Call. I don't wanna raise him out of the pot atm.

I didnt say he does have a set. Im just saying that if the guy barely plays any hands at all his range is pretty much pocket pairs. If he raises this flop he almost always has a set or a big pair. It could even be AA although if it is, Im not going to fret over that.

What else can he have based on the little info we have? Villain has played for an hour and hero cant remember him playing a hand. Its very unlikely he has AT.

villain has no bluffs on this board. Unless you've seen him blasting off, treat him as the typical, tight-passive player who is going bananas because he has something.

With that said, two words: "All In"

You can fold some of the time, but I can't make that decision for you. depends on villain and table

This logic assumes that V is a thinking player. Plenty of players always raise sets because they don't want you to bink a higher set.

I don't think we're deep enough to consider getting away from our hand here. I'd flat call the flop raise and check-ship the turn.

It could also be argued that V has been card dead for an hour and is in the process of punting his stack out of frustration.

As for why villain would raise with a set...consider this hand I played 2 days ago

UTG opens $30. MP calls. I call QQ in SB. BB calls.
Flop 885. We check to UTG who bets $95. MP folds. I call.
Now BB shoves all in for $700 effective. UTG folds.

I ask BB if he will show if I fold and he says Yes. I think for a minute and there's just no way this guy calls preflop with an 8 in his hand and I dont see him shoving $700 with 99-JJ especially when UTG can easily have AA/KK/QQ.

I said "Looks like 55 to me" and folded. He kept his word and showed. He had 55.

Why in Gods name would he shove with 55 there? Because hes afraid to lose the hand to a 2 outter? Because he thinks I will call? I dont know but people do strange things. After the hand he said he didnt want me to call.

Nothing wrong with that. Like I said, make a live read and go with it.

Typical fish thinking.

so you were on your b game since you can't remember

this reminds me a little while ago I staked someone in a big tournament, he texted me as he busted out and said "I played great. I played 3 hands and lost them all".

Bolded is the main thing. All in now as V has less than a PSB left after his raise.

At loose tables (especially ones with deepstacks such as at this table), your sizing of the preflop raise (so long as it is "reasonable") will often have absolutely no affect on how many callers you get (the amount of callers you'll get is dependent on how many people have a hand they would like to see a flop with and if there is an early caller or two). I would limp to reraise at this table.

This is the problem with preflop. You've raised preflop in EP (is your hand a little face up here if you continue on the flop 4ways?) and created an SPR of 3 where stacks can go in trivially by the turn, all the while offering 3 opponents 15+ IO. It's not a good result, imo.

Kinda weird spot on the flop as played cuz you wouldn't think V1 would raise any monster here on this super dry board (and instead would be happy inviting along others). Although V1 was also the first preflop caller next to act, which means he could have AA (not wanting to blow out the world preflop); but at the same time he could have QQ-JJ and think that's good (although this really depends on how much of an idiot he is as most everyone should be putting you on an overpair at this point and JJ ain't beating any of them).

In general, I'd probably hero fold here since our hand is face up on the table as an overpair and yet we got raised postflop, but with these remaining stacks sizes to pot sizes that might be meh. Would really depend on what I think of V1.

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You could argue we're about to do the same thing.

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Not even close to punting with KK and < 100 BBs.

In your entire poker career have you ever won a pot at showdown, even once, without the stone nuts?

Play big....my wording probably wasn't the best....I was in the zone...v1 hadn't played any notable hands

Results.....at first I considered folding bc I thought it was for sure a set but then thought it was a10 he had....I jam all in and he snap calls...ace of diamond on the turn and my heart sinks..jack of diamond on river....I turn up the Kings and he shows two black queens.....double up....thanks for the help,replies, and perspectives

I really struggle with these spots, it’s definitely close. On this exact board texture with this stack depth I think we have to call just because there are so few combos that we lose to since there aren’t any two pair combos.

If he has TT,66 and JJ then we have 50% equity. I called in this exact spot the other day with AA and was wrong but even if this is just occasionally spazz with one pair we have to call.

Not sure what this is supposed to be with regards to? I'm assuming folding the flop?

Look, if we simply folded to a flop raise every single time without a ~nuttish hand, it would probably be correct against a large percentage of opponents. But, having said that, it is still very opponent dependent. As it turns out, this opponent is kinda a moron because we've played like 2 hands in an hour, raised preflop in EP, then bet into 3 opponents, and yet he somehow thinks QQ is ahead (when it's more-or-less only ahead of JJ against a player who looks to be playing nitty). So, yeah, if our read is our opponent can't hand read too well and will overplay hands, we likely shouldn't fold here; but our default should be to fold, and we should need very good reasons to do otherwise.

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Changed my mind OK with stacking off here. If we're folding KK we have to fold 22 for the same reason. If he has any combos of QQ, JJ or random spazz folding is horrible. I would call though I wouldn't shove.

22 > AA tho.

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I Do not see V1 with any pock pair higher than 99 preflop. Because V1 would not want multi way pot would most likely 3bet pre with TT, JJ, QQ, AA. raising on the flop is either to see where he is, or He has set of 2s, 6s, or most likey T6s.