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1/3 NL: ATs vs. a short stack all-in and a player behind me 1/3 NL: ATs vs. a short stack all-in and a player behind me

01-02-2016 , 09:07 PM
Hero: $530 stack size, image is probably tight and very aggressive, I haven't been playing many hands but when I do play, I make larger raises than the rest of the table and easily take pots PF or on the flop with a c-bet

Villain 1: Seems really fishy and inexperienced. I've seen her limp into a lot of pots, have seen her limp-fold to a raise from me before when she had around $80, and now is sitting with $60. Not an aggressive player. Probably has a hard time understanding how strong/weak her hand is in a lot of situations like a lot of other really inexperienced players.

Villain 2: Has hero covered. I've seen some raises in LP followed by c-bets from him, but I can't tell if he just had good cards and was playing ABC or if he is better and more aggressive than that. I've been at the table for maybe 40 minutes.

Hero has AT in the CO


PF: Villain 1 limps, another player limps, hero raises to $21, villain 2 calls, villain 1 shoves, hero calls, villain 2 calls

Flop is 962 ($182)

Hero checks, villain 2 checks

Turn is 5

It's checked around

River is 3

Hero checks




I feel like I turned into a scared OMC in this hand and this is embarrassing to post but whatever. I guess I felt uncertain and uncomfortable because I was OOP, villain 2 was much better than anyone else at the table and even if I got him out of the hand, I was still going to be behind a lot to villain 1. I noticed that I've gotten confused and possibly botched hands before when there was an all-in player and I missed the flop. I was much more reluctant to be aggressive when I didn't have any fold equity against one of the villains.
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01-04-2016 , 01:44 AM
i 4bet pre to $150 just so we can get HU agaisnt V1's range, which we're still ahead of. Also V2 isnt too strong here so i expect him to fold fairly often.

AP checking all streets is okay. i wouldve cbet the dry flop for $75 and expect to take it down a good chunk of the time. however, V1 being in the hand makes it complicated.
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01-04-2016 , 03:36 AM
Delay cbet OTT for half main pot or more and eval river if called.

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01-04-2016 , 04:01 AM
Pre 4bet is probs the best line to isolate v1 as v2 isn't too strong here but can still be ahead with like small PP hands so it's best to take it heads up against V1 who you can easily have crushed as she seems like the type to do this any two suited Broadway cards with a short stack.

Ap checking down is fine as its a dry flop so can't really hit a lot V1 or our range. Although its probably better to take the initiative on the flop and expect a 1/2 pot cbet to force v2 out a lot. If you had something like jacks here you'd cbet this 100% of the time for value.
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01-04-2016 , 05:09 AM
4 bet pre flop to ~ 150 -> different outcome/situation.
Think you played it OK as is.
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01-04-2016 , 08:05 AM
What's our plan post-flop if we 4! to $150 & V2 calls. We'll be OOP.

Wouldn't V2 [who accumulated more $$ than H somehow] be aware of the fact that H has been very aggressive in the 40 minutes that Hero has been at the table?

If we just flat V1's all-in & c-bet the turn for 1/2 pot - why would V2 think we have a pair?
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01-04-2016 , 09:01 AM
H opens to $21 from CO, V2 on the button flats, then V1, who limped and in previous hands had shown an ability to limp/fold, shoves her short stack all in for $60?

Feels like a fold to me. V2 often has a better hand than H here, and V1 as well. ATs isn't a big hand.

As for advice to bet flop or turn: H has ace high. Why bet into a dry side pot and put self at risk? To get V2 to fold AJ, AQ or AK? V2 is probably not folding a pair. Betting this board, in this spot, feels like lighting money on fire. It's a dry side pot, and given how this hand played out, H is in 3rd place. Even if you bet and get V2 to fold a better hand, V1 probably has you beat. Cap your loss. A free showdown here is a gift.

If you bet and get V2 to fold, and then if your hand somehow is better then V1, then betting into the dry side pot would be a genius move. I don't think that's a likely outcome, though.
You bet, V2 either calls and you lose more money or folds, and you lose to V1 anyway.
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01-04-2016 , 09:08 AM
I play same style as you and think you have two options preflop. You can 4! Or call the shove. Considering that Villan has you covered and already called the $21 I don't think I want to build an even bigger pot with your hand so I like the call.

I'm ok with checking the flop, turn and river as you are not going to scoop the pot against the allin player.
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01-04-2016 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
Delay cbet OTT for half main pot or more and eval river if called.

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You're saying.bluff a dry side pot? You're likely behind the all in villian. Possibly drawing dead. You'd be better off playing against a wider range on the river.
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01-04-2016 , 02:23 PM
4! pre or fold. I think you fold out V2 a ridiculously high percentage of the time with a 4!. His button calling range value plummets against a l/rr and a 4!. He should 3! himself anything he would call a 4! with.

You need at least 28% equity against V1's range HU to justify the extra $40. You have ~33% equity against V1's range of 88+ and premium broadways.

As played, checking down is the right move.
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01-04-2016 , 02:42 PM
I'd start thinking about a seat change; we don't want a deep good player who we don't have a complete handle on sitting to our immediate left, imo.

I'm typically also raising preflop here.

I'd probably reraise again preflop in order to isolate the all-in player with dead money in the pot. There's just too good a chance the smallish all-in is overcalled by the guy behind us (and we don't want that). I'd minraise it to hopefully accomplish this.

As played, I'd probably bet very small on the flop to try and fold out better Ax hands and *possibly* small pairs from V2. It's a protected pot so we don't ever look like we're bluffing, and it's unlikely he'll bluff, so I think we can just do like $50 and then be done with it if called.

As played, I also probably give up on the turn/river as a bet really doesn't make that much sense now (i.e. we're simply getting called too often, even by better A high).

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