No reads on the table, I just sat down about 30 minutes prior.

UTG+1($285) Makes it 9, UTG+3($250) calls, folds to Hero OTB($170) who has AhAd raises to $20 and both players call.

Flop: Qh Kc 8d (pot is $64)


UTG+1 Checks, UTG+3 bets $42, Hero calls $42, UTG+1 folds

Turn: 7s (pot is $148)

UTG+3 goes all in for remainder of hero stack ($108).

Is this a fold more times than not?

I would raise a little more preflop. As played, I may fold

I really hate the mini raise pre.... Raise to 35 instead, bet pot on flop and shove the turn with this stack size.

1. The fact that you have no reads in 30 minutes is bad. Work on that first

2. The 3b needs to be larger. You can get more value, deny them correct odds to setmine, and maybe get the pot heads-up.

3. As played, I can't really ever see folding here in a vacuum, since LLSNL players are capable of showing up with the occasional Kx, but reads would be very helpful.

Can't call the flop then fold the turn. As played call is easy.

Raise bigger pre. 35ish. Set up an easy stack off. 55 BB with AA opened in front of you should be an easy stack off

The essentially min raise after the bet and call is just bad. Your giving villains odds to call and to see if they can hit flop. Go at least $25 and probably $30 after a call.

After that, you have to make your decision on the flop. If you call that you have less then a pot sized bet, either fold then or plan on moving all in. Normally I would say fold or shove, but the board is dry enough that there are not many draws your worried about, your either way ahead or way behind. Which way I go depends entirely on what I think of V3 but mostly I'm hoping he has AK and calling or shoving.

$20 is way too low. Make it $35-40 so you can shove and get called on the flop with only $120 remaining.

The way you played it, especially after calling the flop (why not go all in here but just call????), you should definitely call. Why would you call that flop and fold on that harmless turn card?

You got unlucky since villain has KQ but you are the only person to blame. You gave him great odds to call another $11 to see the flop by 3betting to only $20 preflop.

Yeah, your main sin was min-raising preflop. Make it $34 (original $9 plus a green chip). If both call, the pot will be $100, making it easy to gii and get paid off by ak/kj/k10/aq/j10 hands.

As played, you're often behind once he's pushed all in on the turn. Seems like KQ. But unless you have outstanding reads on him it's still a call. You're getting 2.5-to-1, and he'll show up with AK and J10 plenty of times as well.

Next time don't post results in OP (even it spoiler, it's too tempting to look at and might skew responses).

Our 3bet was way too small. Unless we've been 3betting a bunch, we've probably turned our hand face upish and yet will create a small SPR (even HU the SPR will still be ~3 so there's no way we can get away from our hand postflop) while at the same time offering villain(s) an easy peasy 17x implied odds to stack us. I would raise to $35 - $40.

Preflop has setup a non great postflop situation, but with this SPR in a 3way pot where AK and draws are a possibility, I just don't think we can ever fold. I would have shoved the flop, but I call the turn as played.

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Raise way more pre. $36 minimum.

Raise flop.

As played to the turn, probably still have to call.

Ya this seems to be the consensus, I appreciate everyone's response and the pre-flop critique, thank's for the input fellas.

Just went and looked at a bunch of threads. Virtually everyone makes a greater than pot-sized raise when they 3-bet aces.

40 is a pot-sized raise. I think of that as a minimum.

You should definitely have some reads 30 minutes in.

Preflop: Raise is too small
Flop: Without reads this is a call
Turn: This is close but at this level it's a call. Vs a mouth breather this is definitely a call, but vs a competent player that considers our holdings before betting we should never be good. Leading into the preflop 3-bettor and then shoving turn is a very strong line.

raise more pre for an easy flop shove.

ap, if we called this flop how can we fold the turn..

I agree that this is a call but just because we called the flop doesn't mean we have to call a blank turn.

While the board hasn't changed, the action has. On the flop he could have been leading with a top pair type hand to see where he's at. We called the flop which should tell the story that we aren't necessarily concerned with top pair (ie we have top pair or better). Villain took that information and rather than checking the turn or betting smallish he shoved for 2/3rds pot which is telling the story that he understands that we have top pair+ but he still thinks he probably has the best hand.

Grunch:
Calling I think.
It's close.

We only need 28% equity here.
He likely doesn't have a lot of sets in his range, and if he has any TP hands or draws/semi-bluffs, then we are going fine

But pre flop is really where this hand went wrong.
We want to raise to $30 here, maybe a touch more and then we can easily commit on pretty much all run outs.