1/3 NL 6h2h in BB

Been in the game for about 2 hours and despite some deep stacks, it's been playing like a 1/3 (most of the 1/3's here play a lot like a 2/5).

V1 is an older Asian male, pretty nitty so far. $97
V2 is a 20-30 something white guy that plays pretty tight and while technically a TAG, he just doesn't understand correct bet sizes. Usually, he underbets in spots and sometimes way overbets. He also appears to be playing fit-or-fold. ~$225.

Hero covers.

OTTH
UTG (V1) limps, V2 limps, plus 4 others.
Hero looks at 6 2 and checks his option.

Flop ($16 after drop): 2 2 9

Hero checks, V1 bets $15, V2 tanks for almost two minutes and calls, Hero calls.

Turn ($61): T

Hero checks, V1 shoves for $79, V2 thinks for about 15 seconds and calls.

Hero?

Bet flop, all in on turn. If someone has a FH, nice hand sir.

all in all day
no one else has a deuce and a FD. One or the other will win this pot for you.

I'm also just seeing a flop.

I'm also checking this flop. More reason to bet if we had a better kicker to cooler someone (or if board had some semblance of a draw to get action from, or in LP where our bet looks FOS), but if we get much action on our EP bet on this board there is more chance we're the ones being coolered.

I think I'm also just calling the flop here. I think I feel committed against V1 as he's a shortstack and could easily just have a big pair (including failed LRR AA). Don't want to really get into it with V2 though. Things are going to play out very honestly with V2 once we come along for the ride here on this board, so if he remains in the hand on the turn I think we can consider hero folds.

Ha, fun turn. I just don't see how we're good against V2 here. I mean, our flop call should be setting off massive warning bells. Even T9 should really consider folding (especially if they can read V1 for a better two pear and someone for a 2x). And the more early in EP that V2 makes the flop call (it sounds like he still had a bunch of players after him to react?) the more we have to really consider folding here. I know we've picked up the flush draw, but meh.

Basically, I called the flop to evaluate the turn action, and I don't like the turn action.

GnotgoingbrokeinalimpedpotG

GdonthaveMUBSandfoldthisturnespeciallywithredrawsa gainstabetterdeuceG

Admittedly, the flush draw does confuse things a bit.

But V2 is literally the worst player in the room if he is continuing to this total action with a worse hand. And that isn't the vibe I'm getting from his description.

The number one quality of most players at this point (the ones who have survived thru out the years and are still playing) is MUBSYness. So when we overcall this flop, everyone immediately puts us on a 2. The shortstack V1 with AA ain't gonna care and will just have another bad beat story to share. But it should worry us greatly that V2 doesn't care (especially if we have an OMC image, and OP can correct me if that's not what we have).

GweplayincompletelydifferentgamesifV2showsupwithaw orsehand,imoG

Honestly folding this turn is preposterous. What are we worried about? The occasional A2? Nobody has a boat. People overplay one pair hands and overcards floats that picked up draws here so often. And we have plenty of outs to beat a better deuce if that’s the unlikely scenario here. Not to mention the horror of potentially folding to 23s

We will have almost 40% equity to win or chop with A2!

You are advocating folding in a WA/slightly behind scenario without even being terribly deep and with assuming V is nutted based on no range construction.

Your nittiness is compounded by the fact that you incorrectly project your nittiness onto your opponent’s actions when ranging them.

If you feel that way (regarding nittery / MUBSYness), then your player pool is very different than mine (and it is possible that is the case).

GcluelessgameconditionsnoobG

a nitty player and a tight player
are they able to see your in a limped BB and could have a 2?
if so easy fold,

if they are not that skilled then easy shove

Perhaps that’s true. And I certainly wouldn’t be shocked to see A2 here. But 99/TT/92/T2 are incredibly unlikely and there are value hands and semibluffs we beat (and equity vs A2 as mentioned).

How does V2 have a semi-bluff?

How does V2 (who plays tight) show up with a chopping 2x from EP?

What value hands from V2 to we beat? KK that he limped in with and is just sigh calling with?

TT/99 aren't always raised in these games, especially from EP. TT is actually his most likely hand (had to think about things on the flop, and now has a no-brainer continue on the turn).

Best case-ish configuration is like against V1's KK and V2's A2cc, where we're drawing to 10 outs (4:1), getting less than 3:1, and have RIO on some cards.

GcluelessgameconditionsnoobG

Well, I looked at V1 and knew he expected to win the pot. So, I ranged him at A2, 92, 99. I also thought that V2 had done somewhat the same thing and called V1's shove anyway, without much thought. Well, V2 didn't have a 2, so there are only two hands he could have: 99, or TT.

I tanked so long on the turn, someone said something (about when I had come to a decision), so I replied that I was folding my 2 and showed it (I almost never show, especially when I'm folding).

Two people said: "I'm never folding that" just before the dealer rivered a 9 and V1 tables A2 and V2 tabled TT.

The difference here was live-reads, which many on this forum disdain for reasons that have never been 100% clear. They only make a difference 5-10% of the time (generously), but those times can make a huge difference.

Nice read, GG.

I don’t see TT limped in my games.

I said V2 got his bet sizes wrong.

Ha, I still thought there was a decent chance we were at least in second place. But, yeah, basically we're never in first here, at least in my experience.

GcluelessgameconditionsnoobG

I think that, six months ago, I would have made the call. My time in this forum recently (sometimes getting blasted) has made a huge difference. While I still have differences with some of the better posters, my game has improved big time.

I think we should overcall turn. V2 obviously has a made hand to call flop (is he floating QJhh? I doubt it). So he either has a 9x or we’re toast. The dry side pot will protect us

I think this forum often disdains live reads in the analysis is that they only show up in the thread after the original post. You should have put that in the OP. It is a very big missing piece of information.

What Venice said. I know better than this for you, but if this was anyone else, I would think this was a brag post. Even if I think TT might be limped, it would also mean that 66-QQ could also be limped.

Even the turn felt like a set up. Flush draw with trips, and we of course get out with trips against two players with the effective nuts?