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1-3 nl 300bigs tough spot preflop with KK 1-3 nl 300bigs tough spot preflop with KK

04-28-2016 , 05:32 AM
Game has been going on for 3h30min, hero profile is very tight almost nit but has won every hand he has played (less than 5 in 3hours) hero is up about 1k on the game.

Villain is a recreational amateur playing 300bbs and having just anounced two minutes prior that this was his last round at the table before leaving. Villain has been playing alot of hands and played them all in a very passive station style, just calling bets and never raising or playing back. Villain is up on the game as well.

Hero 500bbs
Villain limps utg1
agro reg utg2 raise 15
Hero K♣️K♦️utg3 3bets to 50
Villain tanks smiles and raises to 150
Reg folds and actions comes back to hero
5bet to get in? Call? Fold?
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04-28-2016 , 05:41 AM
Never raising him here. He's passive. Passive players don't suddenly wake up and cold 4-bet QQ or JJ.

He most likely has AA. But for $100, we can call and see a flop with $1,400 behind.
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04-28-2016 , 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveyouoweme$80k
Never raising him here. He's passive. Passive players don't suddenly wake up and cold 4-bet QQ or JJ.

He most likely has AA. But for $100, we can call and see a flop with $1,400 behind.
Hero is playing 1500 stack but villain is playing 900 stack.
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04-28-2016 , 06:58 AM
What hands have you see him limp with? I assume a lot given your description of him. Any limp reraise prior to this hand?
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04-28-2016 , 07:01 AM
pretty gross. seems like a fold though.
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04-28-2016 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DaBenf9
Hero is playing 1500 stack but villain is playing 900 stack.
Passive rec amateurs up several hundred BBs on their last round of the night don't four-bet AK PF, forget QQ/JJ. His range is literately AA. You're going to set-up one time in eight OTF, so you need to get his stack when you do.

It really comes down to whether he's been able to fold big hands in the face of resistance.

I think it's a situation, where KK plays no different from 22. You need to hit your set with no A on the flop. I am never five betting here, leaning towards folding and moving on.
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04-28-2016 , 09:07 AM
Agree with others saying his range is exactly AA. Maybe KK too, but we block that hard.

You will be calling $100 to win his stack, so $100 to win $965 ($50 you already put in plus his stack of $900 plus $15 from other player). You can call and set mine the flop, but only if you have the self-control to fold if an Ace also hits the board.

Last edited by berninader; 04-28-2016 at 09:09 AM. Reason: slightly larger pot
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04-28-2016 , 10:38 AM
Call and bink a K or just fold. Against you, he should have AK, AA, KK and that's about it. If he shows a bluff, just shake it off. No biggie. He's leaving. NEVER show your hand.
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04-28-2016 , 10:50 AM
yea in a live setting this AA like 98% of the time. You can set mine as others have said but only if you think you can get his stack and if you know you have the discipline to fold if the board runs out super dry.
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04-28-2016 , 11:12 AM
I've folded KK twice preflop. Once I was proved right, another time I'm still unsure.

This would probably be that 3rd time. He's very passive, never plays back. Sure he's leaving in a bit, but he's booked a nice winning session and is about to leave; is he really gonna get all aggro gambooley right now and risk all his hard earned profit? He limped UTG and when facing a 3bet from nit us, decides a 4bet is the best route. He's got KK at bare minimum, imo, and there's only 1 combo of those.

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04-28-2016 , 11:50 AM
I've never folded KK pf in cash game... but as described - this is about as strong a signal as you can get...
  1. Limp/reraise UTG - check
  2. Announced last orbit and up - check
  3. Otherwise passive player lights up - check
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04-28-2016 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
Call and bink a K or just fold. Against you, he should have AK, AA, KK and that's about it. If he shows a bluff, just shake it off. No biggie. He's leaving. NEVER show your hand.
This. Dude who has announced he is leaving in x amount of hands waking up and 3betting you hard is never a good sign.
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04-28-2016 , 12:40 PM
Lol at this hand...

V (who is a passive, station-y, rec player with a big stack) limp/raises from UTG after telling the table he's going home.

V has AA about 350% of the time. Even the times when he doesn't have AA, he has AA.

I'm happy to fold face up, and set the entire table on tilt.
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04-28-2016 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by cassurai
What hands have you see him limp with? I assume a lot given your description of him. Any limp reraise prior to this hand?
He never limp re raised. Seen him show up with ak once and was open to 15 by him
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04-28-2016 , 06:48 PM
If you have position, its okay to call the raise pre. Make him act on the flop and evaluate.
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05-01-2016 , 09:26 AM
I hope you didn't take the 5 bet route... i probably puke fold here with all the reasons listed above.
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05-01-2016 , 11:06 AM
Given description of villain, I fold. Guys like this aren't cold 4 betting light. Fold and don't show.
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