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1/3 NFD rivers top pair in bloated pot 1/3 NFD rivers top pair in bloated pot

03-13-2018 , 10:25 AM
This was a fun one. Lets take a look at every street.

1/3 400 eff. on a tuesday morning at around 3 am.

BB (600) - mid 20s white guy, very active and capable of making moves. most aggressive player at the table, will attack weakness but not a complete maniac. I'd say he's playing about 75/30 with high aggression. I have not seem him triple barrel yet but he'll certainly take stabs and bluff raise.

UTG+1 (400) - black guy around 40 playing maybe 70/15 and somewhat aggressive. he's been in a lot of hands with BB and there's definitely a bluff catching dynamic between him and BB. I've seen him call down BB pretty light.

I'm UTG+2 (400), two limps to me and I look down at A6dd and limp behind. If I remember correctly there's one more limp, SB completes and it checks through.

Flop ($15) Ks 8d 3d

It checks to UTG+1 who bets out $10, I call, and BB c/r to $25. We both call.

Turn ($90) Ks 8d 3d 9h

BB bets $45, UTG+1 calls, and I call. I'm getting 4:1 with the NFD.

River ($225) Ks 8d 3d 9h Ac

BB bets $60, UTG+1 calls.

It's now around $60 to win $345 to us. We're getting almost 6:1.
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03-13-2018 , 10:34 AM
Sigh..shrug.. call

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03-13-2018 , 11:34 AM
Is this a full 10 handed table? If limpers/others are idiots and table is fairly passive preflop I'm fine with attempting to get into a hand for cheap with Axs after some limpers, although in EP it's really debatable if this hand is profitable (at tougher tables, position is likely key to making it profitable, imo). But nice result, so things worked out.

I think I also just call the flop. Pot is small and we're more concerned about winning the stacks behind and not the small pot at hand, so I'm fine with our passive play. Thanks to the lol check/raise sizing we're getting good odds to continue so I also call again (thinking we probably don't have much FE against a check/raiser).

Also just calling the turn. We're getting our immediate odds (although it is possible some of our outs are being sucked out / dirty) and in position, and again methinks our FE might be low against this guy who is continuing his aggression into 2 opponents.

Tough river spot, imo. All the draws have busted so caller could easily be calling down this weak bet as a bluffcatcher with just a K, so I think we can still easily be ahead of the caller. But is aggro guy really betting worse for this small amount into 2 opponents on the river having shown this overall strength? But can we pass on these odds? I think if I'm playing well I make a fold cuz this is like two pair trying to eke out some value, and if I'm playing poorly I make a poor "pot odds!" call even though I'm never good here.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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03-13-2018 , 11:46 AM
Little chance you beat both of them so I think this is a raise or fold spot. If raise, make it like $175-$200. Even 2p+ will have a tough time calling given how you played the hand.

But, very read dependent and you were there. Huge high variance play.
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03-13-2018 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by shorn7
If raise, make it like $175-$200. Even 2p+ will have a tough time calling given how you played the hand.
I've made the same comment elsewhere a few times recently, but isn't our hand far too strong to turn into a bluff here?

Gwe'rebluffingwiththewronghand,imoG
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03-13-2018 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I've made the same comment elsewhere a few times recently, but isn't our hand far too strong to turn into a bluff here?

Gwe'rebluffingwiththewronghand,imoG
Against two villians, I don't think so. Our kicker doesn't play and V1 has led three streets (albeit weakly on the river). V2 in the middle can't be too strong since he just called the river so we are really only worried about V1. I just don't think we have good enough SDV often enough vs 2 V's to make a call profitable so either we fold or we bluff raise.

And again it is a very high variance play and dependent on table reads so by no means am I suggesting it is automatic.
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