1st hand Hero just sat down with $300 and posted BB..

UTG ($120) raises to $8,
UTG1 ($350) calls,
V in SB ($600) calls,
Hero($300) raises to $35 with AKhh,
All call.

Flop ($140): Jh 6h 5s
V checks, Hero bets $80, two folds, V c/r to $180, Hero ??

Can we ever fold here? Vs range looks super strong imo (66/55) as my bet into 3 others looks like QQ+ a lot.

Is shoving here a mistake?

P.S. I realize my 3b should've been $45.

I prefer flat pre - read less, OOP, vs UTG.

As played not folding. If he has a set life sucks, no way we can exclusively put a typical moronic 1/3 villain on that range

^ Flat a shortstack's minnish-raise pre with the dead money?

You already put in the pot 33% of effective ($102 out of $300). The pot at the point of his c/r is $400 and you have $195 left with 15 outs to the river. Drawing to the nut flush plus 2 overs (NFD+2overs) that's a monster hand.

He's doing his c/r to protect against FD and probably he's got TP. He's not doing this with a Set almost for sure. He would do it OTT but not OTF. So, yes .., we shove right away and go to the river. What you have in your hand and in this situation is a great combo of events. Drawing to the nut flush and having the two top nut wild dogs of the deck, AK for absolute TPTK in case you miss the flush. You got to go to the river. If you don't play this hand you'll not going to play any other hand unless you flop top Set. ... haha... You cannot do that because you'll be deteriorating your game to the point that will be unplayable.

Note:
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Seeing a flop multiway with AKs against a bunch of dominated hands isn't so bad. People play tight UTG, so I think it's okay to just see a flop here.

The problem is that we're usually going to be playing a big pot OOP and without reads, which isn't necessarily more +EV than flatting IMO.

With that said, 3betting is obviously fine. Make it a bit bigger I think.

id rather 3 bet than flat, besides if we call odds are just getting better to whoever is left to act. as played ID get it in without much hesitation, we have a monster draw

Pre was way too small if you're goal was to take it down preflop or isolate the PFR. Raise + two calls + me in worst position - I'm going $50-55 pre.

As played flop is super easy bet/shove

Always getting it in here, Spr is way too small to worry about someone having a set

yeah i think this is a shrug & ship it in.

barring any weird **** you can pick up on just from looking at opponent - how he looks/puts chips in/sits/whatever else.

Thanks for the great feedback all. I obv shoved and he snapped with 66, board ran out J65hhs64cd to give him quads.

I honestly felt the c/r was so nutted and never AJ or a worse draw though. So my A/K outs were no good. People just don't c/r with worse draws/AJ in my games in these spots unless they're known aggro maniacs.

If his cards are face up, then calling when he has a set is a 14 dollar mistake.

But you don't need your A or K outs to be good to call.

If he plays 56, 55, 66 this way folding is a mistake. If he plays sets and 7h8h this way folding is a mistake.

I probably 3bet to like $45 preflop. Offers setminers poor 8:1 odds, and more chance of us taking down 8bbs preflop uncontested OOP with A high (a good result). Lol @ result, your table plays a lot like mine.

With SPR ~2 and pot huge and worth winning, I'd either (a) open shove or (b) check/shove (we have huge hand equity and either of these plays adds huge FE). Dude in EP did raise/call, so decent chance he might bet, although a bit risky.

Yeah, facing the check/raise is typically pretty damn strong here. Do we know anything about V? Would he ever go crazy here with lol Jx or a flush draw? We're getting exactly 4:1 to make the call, so I don't think we can fold. If we just flat, we'll only have $85 left in a $500 pot, I don't think we could fold any turn (other than perhaps one that pairs board). I think I sigh shove at this point.

ETA: In general, I'd agree with mono that this check/raise to the action (we just 3bet preflop and continued into a large pot into 3 opponents) is super strong, with sets being a *huge* part of most opponents ranges here. I just think we're kinda forced to get it in with these relatively small stacks behind and our draw, plus factor in some spazz / ****** Jx / etc.

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Looks good.

Now jam. Order drink. Have re-buy ready.

If he has a set who cares? We're almost getting odds to call. It's -$14 EV to call when he has a set. It is very bad to fold when he has anything other than a set.

Gotta be okay to gamble sometimes OP. You're in a casino after all.

Easy shove. You are getting 2.25:1 so need 30% equity and have 8 outs to the nuts even against a set.

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can't fold now - we have enough equity to gii even if his range is {sets}