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1/3 middle set facing turn shove 1/3 middle set facing turn shove

08-11-2019 , 03:51 AM
Villain (effective stack $xxx; old Asian guy; hero recently called off his river bluff shove on flushy board)

3 limpers (including villain in EP-MP), hero raises to $20 from SB with 99, 4 callers

Flop ($83) QJ3
Checks around

Turn ($83) 9
Hero bets $55, fold, fold, villain shoves for $220, hero?

Seems like villain could have some bluff combos with a T, but any possible value hands we're beating would probably have bet flop (QJ, AA/KK, 33 -- except for the few combos of J9/Q9), so we really just have a bluff catcher.
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08-11-2019 , 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by whitts
Villain (effective stack $xxx; old Asian guy; hero recently called off his river bluff shove on flushy board)



3 limpers (including villain in EP-MP), hero raises to $20 from SB with 99, 4 callers



Flop ($83) QJ3

Checks around



Turn ($83) 9

Hero bets $55, fold, fold, villain shoves for $220, hero?



Seems like villain could have some bluff combos with a T, but any possible value hands we're beating would probably have bet flop (QJ, AA/KK, 33 -- except for the few combos of J9/Q9), so we really just have a bluff catcher.

Preflop is not the best. You’re OOP and this is essentially only pot sized. It’s going to get too much multi-way action. You have a strong hand, raise more. Also I think your pot postflop is off since you got 4 callers of your $20

If it is $83, you bet $55 and get jammed on for $220. That’s $358. You’re getting 2.17:1 on a call, so you need 31.5% to call (I’ll call it 32% per rake).

If we give him a range of 32 straight combos (KT/T8), 3 two pair combos (all the remaining J9), and T7cc-T2cc, we have 34.9%. Since I think he’s going to show up with additional weird things, and this becomes a pretty trivial shrug, call, probably lose but win often enough spot.


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08-11-2019 , 05:15 AM
Didn't you just catch a river bluff he tried to pull? Snap call.

Also, check the logic in hand reading. Does this guy limp/call premium pairs? The likelyhood of him having JJ+ is very low. You need 31.5% equity to call. You have 34% vs straights and Q9/J9 alone. If he has 33, QJ, and bluffs like pair+straight draw, pair + flush draw, etc.. you're even further ahead. In general, folding sets with only 80bb is bad. Sorry he got you this time. It's just a cooler.
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08-14-2019 , 12:53 PM
I'm not really in love with preflop or result but that's me and I'm passive like that OOP.

I'm fine with flop.

With these remaining stacks I don't think we're going to be able to get away from out hand, and there are a crapload of stupid river cards. So I'd probably PSB the turn. As played, especially against a bluffer and given our weak looking line, I'm snapping pretty happily.

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08-14-2019 , 03:34 PM
So he has a straight near always given action+removal. Calling is almost certainly a dog to folding, but how can you fold?! Maybe he's doing some super dumb stuff sometimes.
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08-14-2019 , 04:03 PM
Call.

11 outs in the unlikely event that a spewy bluffer that we just sheriffed has the straight.

Easy money
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08-15-2019 , 12:18 PM
I'm never folding. We know he can bluff, and he could easily have two pair, straight draw, flush draw, etc., even AQ/KQ, here.
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08-15-2019 , 07:10 PM
Call.

You beat JT, J9, T9, KJ, K9, and XcXc
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