$200 stacks effective, villain in previous hand called a 3 way all in with A3 spades and hit a flush to take the pot. Claimed he had been stuck over $600.00 before high hands promotions....unto the hands...

#1 Hero in small blind EP limps, Villain in CO limps, Hero raises to $18 with AA only villain calls and says "It would be crazy if I beat you with this hand"

Flop 234 Pot: about $45 after rake

I lead out $22 and villain shoves all in. I think about it and villain shows a 2 Has his arms crossed (defensive position strong is weak live tell?)

Pot was about $68.00 after his over shove.....Is folding here ever a good play?

Hand #2 Same villain as last hand stack sizes about 600 effective

Villain in CO raises to 15....Small blind raises to 45 with AAand villain calls

Pot about $100.00 Flop KQ3

Small blind leads for $75.00

Villain open shoves all in again......is this an easy auto call after seeing how other action hands went at the table.....or find a fold calling off whole stack with just one pair?

Two tricky over bet pots where I would love to get some differnt view points...Thank you.

Im never folding in hand #1.

I will have a better idea about #2 after knowing what happened in HH1.

+1

#1 villain has 7-2
#2 he has a weak kicker with a k or a q

I'm willing to stack off your 70bb on both hands if that's what It comes to

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Its 300BBs effective in HH2

Oh my, I may be willing to fold hand two i missed that. Especially if you won hand 1.. he may be trying to trap you in two.

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You have pot size after shove wrong in hand one

I also cant tell if OP is the Hero in HH2 or not. He said "small blind reraises to $45" but he doesnt say "Hero reraises to $45 in SB". On the other hand, villain was CO and Hero was SB in first hand and villain is CO in this hand and its the SB who 3 bet so it should be Hero again.

OP needs to clean up his post a bit to make everything more clear.

Sorry all clean up time.......I am not the hero in hand #2...I witnessed the action and wanted to get thoughts about the outcome....more interested in hand #2 then hand #1......I folded hand #1 FML he showed me 5,2 for the pair and the open ended straight draw....pretty bad fold on my part but it happened.... thought about it for awhile...thought he might of hit two pair but I had blockers to his straight draws. With stack sizes I should of called it off open jam confused me a bit that's why I thought hand #2 was interesting after the previous outcomes.

so I'm risking $490 to win $730 roughly
given hand one info I call here

So on hand one, this is why it is very important to watch V's. If he had to look at his cards to determine which one to show, then it is extremely unlikely he has a set of 2's. If he didn't look and just turned one over (since they were both the same) then much more likely he has the set.

I would have called regardless but just a good thing to remember about watching V's when it is their turn to act.

Hand#1

With just $200 stacks, I'd raise just a smidge more preflop to $20+ but whatever. SPR is 4, so I'm never folding. I would have donked a PSB to get the rest in on the turn. As played, I snap call. You'd think made sets and straights likely wouldn't overshove to scare off action (this is a more a move a draw would make), and if we're behind we still have outs (have a bunch of outs against a low two pair and even doing okish against flopped sets, really only sucking against flopped straights). I would totally ignore reads at this point, as I'm guessing even a lot of the 2x made hands we have enough equity to call (although I'm too lazy to math) but the fact he may have 2+draw or 2+airball is enough for an easy call.

Hand#2

This hand is quite a lot different due to effective stacks. If there is no one else in the hand, I would actually flat preflop to keep a manageable SPR OOP where we can play some poker postflop. With these stacks we won't be able to 3bet to a size where we are comfortable playing for stacks postflop, and yet SPR will be small enough and he'll be in position to make this trivial, plus we might have a face up hand.

I think preflop has setup a difficult situation postflop (OOP, SPR 5.5 where it's trivial to get in stacks with 3 small bets, perhaps face up hand, and yet offering good 20:1 to the preflop call of the raise, meh, imo). I don't think there is any reason to bet so much on this flop, and actually might just check it (pretty happy if a street checks thru). As played, even without knowing what he did in the previous hand, I'd probably fold.

ETA#1: The fold in H1 is terrible. This is smallstack poker, which is really simple: when you get in huge chunks of your stack (10%+) preflop HU, don't fold postflop (and instead try to play for the rest of the stacks mostly by the turn).

ETA#2: Just cuz I guy did something a little crazy for $200 in H1 does not mean he's doing something crazy for $600 in H2. Most people do not play small $200 stacks remotely close to how they play big $600 stacks.

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@OP

In hand #1, I think I snap call this. You have top pair, back door wheel draw, and based on his statement before the flop Im putting him on 72o or similar. If he had something very strong, I feel he wouldn't try to overbet and push you off the hand- basically telling me that he has air or something low/mid-range.

To me, Hand #2 is the trickier- I would go into the tank here. Here is my line of thought- villain seems decent, but slightly loose. He raise preflop IP and calls the 3-bet telling us he has something decent (lack of 4-bet means nothing wild, i dont put him on QQ+). The flop is pretty wet, so I feel like he either connected or has a solid draw (maybe he has AJ and shoved the broadway, or maybe KQ or QXs?). What was the timing of his bet? was is snap or tank? Personally I think this is 50/50. We have a strong hand, but I feel like the number of outs to improve our hand are less than the outs to improve his (does that make sense?) so Im folding this one. the size of the stack is also relevant- 600 has a lot more weight than 200.

I have to agree this hand is a bit different in the sense that he raised pre vs limping the 1st time around, and as GG said people tend to play quite a bit differently in small vs huge pots. Honestly I wouldnt even care if he showed QJ or something just because I'd feel pretty confident I'll get him soon enough in a better spot than just 1 pair.

In the second hand after villain shoves all in on the flop, the small blind calls it off.

Villain shows KK for the flopped top trips.

Is it possible for the small blind to fold aces here given the previous action that villain has shown to the table in the last couple of hands? Or did villain end up just owning the table in multiple spots?

I know most just might say "that's just a cooler and it happens" but is anyone able to find a fold here given such a large or bet....even though villain has shown the willingness to gamble it up with the table. Although not in such a large denominational spot with over $1200.00 in the pot?

Thanks for all your reply's. I enjoyed reading all the responses and different view points about each of the hands.