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Old 11-21-2018, 10:30 PM   #1
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1/3 made hand into bluff

1/3 effective 380.

Hero LJ TTdh opens to 12. (TAG image)

HJ Tight ABC reg calls.

BB fish calls.

3 ways.
(37) Flop 776hdd
X. hero bets 20. HJ Call. Fold.
(77) Turn 8c
Hero check. HJ bets 40. Hero Call.
(157) Riv 5d.
Hero?

Anyone bluff this here?

(I put villain on 88-QQ, maybe an AQdd type hand)

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Old 11-21-2018, 11:23 PM   #2
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Re: 1/3 made hand into bluff

This is a check fold.

Everything came in. He's not folding a flush or a boat, and he likely calls a straight and even an overpair.
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Old 11-21-2018, 11:30 PM   #3
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Re: 1/3 made hand into bluff

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This is a check fold.



Everything came in. He's not folding a flush or a boat, and he likely calls a straight and even an overpair.


Do u ever lead this river? And if so what hands do u lead with?
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Old 11-21-2018, 11:51 PM   #4
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Do u ever lead this river? And if so what hands do u lead with?
I'm probably only leading a flush or better, perhaps the high end of the straight, and I'm only ever betting for value.
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Old 11-22-2018, 05:40 AM   #5
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Re: 1/3 made hand into bluff

which better hands are you going to make fold on this river? JJ and QQ, and are you sure opponent doesn't 3bet these pre?

Agree TT is in check fold range here. I'd be leading all boats, and flushes. If i bet straights i'm bet/folding. could even bet fold small flushes.

I dont think we have a check/call range (maybe small flushes..) and TT is way too weak to bet/fold cause we're never getting called by worse and very very rarely if ever folding better.
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:05 AM   #6
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Re: 1/3 made hand into bluff

Check we still beat 22-44 and won't be getting bluffed much. As it is tough board for him to bet also.
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:19 AM   #7
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Re: 1/3 made hand into bluff

X/F for me too.
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:41 AM   #8
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Check we still beat 22-44 and won't be getting bluffed much. As it is tough board for him to bet also.
44 made a straight.
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Old 11-22-2018, 12:26 PM   #9
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Re: 1/3 made hand into bluff

Preflop is whatever (you can raise, you can limp, both fine).

I'm cool with the ~1/2 PSB cbet.

On the turn I'm either bet/folding or check/folding, really don't like check/calling at all against a tight ABC player. The board is drawy (although one of the draws got there on the turn) so I don't hate one last bet, but I also don't hate just check/folding either. I'm assuming this guy is never betting worse on the turn (right?) so I don't understand our check/call.

I just check/fold the river. Certainly a scary board where a bluff will get thru but we're targetting so few hands, basically just QQ/JJ (*maybe* 99 that manages a nitty fold) that didn't 3bet preflop (as I'm assuming KK+ do). We also can't ignore the times he has a monster and we simply dump money into it.

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Old 11-22-2018, 12:30 PM   #10
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44 made a straight.
Oh ya, we got nothing. Beat nothing, but a float and double barrel bluff.

Obviously this is a fold to any bet
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Old 11-22-2018, 02:36 PM   #11
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Oh ya, we got nothing. Beat nothing, but a float and double barrel bluff.

Obviously this is a fold to any bet
Agreed, and player was described as ABC, so double bluff plus river bet seems unlikely.

I do think on the turn bet/fold is an interesting line, but check/call has merits.
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Old 11-22-2018, 03:27 PM   #12
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Re: 1/3 made hand into bluff

I really don’t understand how people can advocate leading the river with a range of: boats, flushes, and straights.
We realllllly need go have some bluffs in there if we’re gonna donk such a strong range. Especially vs a tight ABC player capable of thinking and folding.

SPOILER:
River goes check check and we lose to JJ
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Old 11-22-2018, 03:40 PM   #13
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Re: 1/3 made hand into bluff

I guess we're check/calling turn to see if he barrels a blank on the river (where we know we are beat)? To me this really depends how often he both calls a flop bet and bets the turn when checked to with worse (such as an underpair); do most tight ABC guys do that? If not, turn check/call still seems a little iffy to me.

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Old 11-22-2018, 05:43 PM   #14
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Re: 1/3 made hand into bluff

Most players seem to take a stab with majority of there range. I see flush draws and straight draws betting turn in position. So check/calling turn is fine with me.

Also think they give up and don't double barrel enough in this spot. Especially when board is dripping wet.
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