1/3 live casino game. I was not in this hand, I just curious that how would you guys played if you were HJ and BTN in this scenario AFTER FLOP

Effective stack 800
HJ young Asian guy with 800+biggest stack at table
Button mid age regular ( I dont have too much info about both guys, just treat them as deep unknown player)

Preflop HJ raised to 20( 15 would be normal raise for this game), BTN and SB call

As5s5c pot 65ish
HJ bet 40 BTN call SB fold

Turn 8h pot 140
HJ bet 75 BTN tanks call

River 6h pot 300ish
HJ bet 200 tanks call

HJ show 7c8c BTN wins with AJ off two red

I just think both of them played terrible.

If I were HJ, I would not turn my pair 8s into bluff, i would check the call the turn. check fold the river


If I were BTN, i dont like continue with AJ AT, i would like to raise either on flop or turn to find out where I am. I would do something with AIR here sometimes if i decided to make a move.

Calling River 200 is crying call to me.

insults other players then suggests " i dont like continue with AJ AT, i would like to raise either on flop or turn to find out where I am."

???

Very villain dependent. If hj is aggressive active player btn call down can be fine. Hj river bet depends on btn, his range is an ace, a 5, a club draw, a stubborn pocket pair. If btn is someone who won't fold top pair then river bet is bad, since most players will check behind here with btns hand. Only better hands that hj folds out with river bet besides an ace is something like pairs between 88-kk.some might bluff missed clubs as button but not likely

Also raising on flop with buttons hand is not a good idea. Should never raise to see where you are at. Either raise for value or a bluff or combination of the two. Raising probably folds out worse aces, and could get 3b by a 5 or aggressive player with clubs and now you need to figure out what to do, so not sure how raising tells you where you are at. It allows him to keep firing with draws and worse aces by calling and lose less when he has the 5, depending when or if you fold

Hj is 0 equity bluffing like a spewtard

Btn correctly stationing off, his pf call is bad

these players are not trying to play well. you have the typical dynamic between a LAG and someone who is willing to call him down light.

The LAG is bluffing all the way. especially the river. Please do not mistake that bet for any kind of value.

No offence but this comment here makes you look like a massive fish. Like what do you expect to accomplish after calling a $20 raise pre and then raising an A55 two-tone flop? Villain will continue with FDs, all his Ax hands and occasionally a hand like KK/QQ that doesn't believe you. He might even 3bet the flop with some FDs and now you've just allowed yourself to get bluffed off the best hand.

You have position here so calling makes the most sense. Raising is illogical.

Thread is much more terrible than either players .. raising to see where you're at was clearly the worst thing anyone read in here

I like the 2nd sentence. The 1st sentence I do not like. I can't remember ever making a bet or raise to find out where I am.

Maybe it's "terrible" in your eyes because you don't understand what either player is trying to accomplish.

the btn play is fine. 100% call down here. Why stop a player from bluffing if they're gonna keep doing it and we have position?

As for the HJ play, I'm guessing he's just trying to bully the btn off the hand. He probably gets a lot of folds in this situation too

The main thing I would take away from this is I would start watching HJ to see if he continually fires like this. If he does, I would start to call down a lot and not raise him when I have hands. The btn would be tougher, because he might be smart enough to realize HJ is laggy, so he might only be doing his vs him, but I'd watch his showdowns and see if he's calling down light. If so, I'd bet big for value against him

Crying call vs. young Asian after the flush draw bricks out seems fairly standard. Most people don't value bet one pair hands for 3 streets and would often give the guy IP the chance to bluff his own missed 's instead.

If HJ was an OMC then the turn would be a fold with AJ. But you adjust your call down range based on the villain and his tendencies. The only thing terrible in this thread is your suggestion to raise to find out where you are at.

I fail to see 1 thing the button did wrong in this hand. How is a preflop call otb with AJ "terrible" as someone else suggested?

He's expressing an extremely common idea. Poker players hate to call. Read a huge number of threads here as examples.

But I agree with you 100%.