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1/3 Line check w KK and FD on A high board vs sticky V. (way) too passive? 1/3 Line check w KK and FD on A high board vs sticky V. (way) too passive?

08-14-2019 , 05:02 PM
Private game NYC
End of the night. 5 handed.
Effective stack $550

V is the game owner. Plays ~decently but calls too much (esp w top pair). Not sure if because he likes doing that or he wants to give action in his game (good for his business!). He does a lot of weird **** (donks, min raises etc) that would make people here roll their eyes and tag him as a fish... but he is not that fishy/super easy to read. He plays a lot of hands, inc a lot of ace rag and broadway cards. Usually raises to $10 pre (though standard raise tends to be more $12-15 in this game).

We played many hours together. He likely sees me as competent tag that can occasionally spazz (cause I still do that... occasionally...). I am a winning player in this game overall. And I play way fewer hands than most people. And I don’t 3bet that much (because everyone calls most of the time). But had a rough beginning to this session (6h earlier) with a 3-st bluff gone bad.

Preflop
Folded to V: BTN raises 15 (bigger than usual)
Hero SB K1/3 Line check w KK and FD on A high board vs sticky V. (way) too passive?K1/3 Line check w KK and FD on A high board vs sticky V. (way) too passive? 3 bets 45 (I now think I should have gone bigger, maybe even $60 since V is sticky and I am oop. Couple of sessions ago I stacked him w AA vs KQ on Q flop because I 3-betted to $60 pre and he put me on JJ. I.e., “big 3bet can’t be the nuts”).
BB folds
V/BTN calls

Flop ($90) A1/3 Line check w KK and FD on A high board vs sticky V. (way) too passive?81/3 Line check w KK and FD on A high board vs sticky V. (way) too passive?31/3 Line check w KK and FD on A high board vs sticky V. (way) too passive?
Hero bets 50
Villain min raises 100
Hero?
I called.

Feels very passive now. Raise? I am pretty convinced he has an ace here. I am 43/57 with K1/3 Line check w KK and FD on A high board vs sticky V. (way) too passive?. I doubted I could make him fold a weaker ace. He is def not folding AJ/AQ Maybe not AT. Obv not A8 and A3 either. So he has 6 combos he might fold and 4-5 he won’t.
Unlikely he has AK as he would have probably 4bet.

Turn (290) 31/3 Line check w KK and FD on A high board vs sticky V. (way) too passive?
Hero checks (Feels consistent with flop call but similarly passive. Unless I am repping that I am pealing a card to make sure the flush doesn’t get there and now bet again. Didn’t feel very convincing to me)

Villain checks
Now discounting the bigger Aces. He would have probably kept betting.

River 71/3 Line check w KK and FD on A high board vs sticky V. (way) too passive?
Hero checks. I gave up. Because story of a big bet here didn’t make sense. Shoving $400 felt gross. Etc. But I am very likely going to lose this pot.
Villain checks


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08-17-2019 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by thedoud156
Private game NYC
End of the night. 5 handed.
Effective stack $550

V is the game owner. Plays ~decently but calls too much (esp w top pair). Not sure if because he likes doing that or he wants to give action in his game (good for his business!). He does a lot of weird stuff (donks, min raises etc) that would make people here roll their eyes and tag him as a fish... but he is not that fishy/super easy to read. He plays a lot of hands, inc a lot of ace rag and broadway cards. Usually raises to $10 pre (though standard raise tends to be more $12-15 in this game).

We played many hours together. He likely sees me as competent tag that can occasionally spazz (cause I still do that... occasionally...). I am a winning player in this game overall. And I play way fewer hands than most people. And I don’t 3bet that much (because everyone calls most of the time). But had a rough beginning to this session (6h earlier) with a 3-st bluff gone bad.

OTTH below

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Preflop
Folded to V: BTN raises 15 (bigger than usual)
Hero SB KsKc 3bets 45 (I now think I should have gone bigger, maybe even $60 since V is sticky and I am oop. Couple of sessions ago I stacked him w AA vs KQ on Q flop because I 3-betted to $60 pre and he put me on JJ. I.e., “big 3bet can’t be the nuts”).
BB folds
V/BTN calls

Flop ($90) As8s3s
Hero bets 50
Villain min raises 100
Hero?
I called.

Feels very passive now. Raise? I am pretty convinced he has an ace here. I am 43/57 with Ks. I doubted I could make him fold a weaker ace. He is def not folding AJ/AQ Maybe not AT. Obv not A8 and A3 either. So he has 6 combos he might fold and 4-5 he won’t.
Unlikely he has AK as he would have probably 4bet.

Turn (290) 3d
Hero checks (Feels consistent with flop call but similarly passive. Unless I am repping that I am pealing a card to make sure the flush doesn’t get there and now bet again. Didn’t feel very convincing to me)

Villain checks
Now discounting the bigger Aces. He would have probably kept betting.

River 7h
Hero checks. I gave up. Because story of a big bet here didn’t make sense. Shoving $400 felt gross. Etc. But I am very likely going to lose this pot.
Villain checks




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08-18-2019 , 03:09 PM
Looks fine. On the flop you can't give up yet because you have the nut draw. On the turn there are still a bunch of hands villain can have that beat you that won't give up (AX, low flushes, sets). After he checks turn behind you can take the top of his range out, no flushes or sets and no good AX.

On the river you most likely have the best hand but what do you gain by betting? By that point there are few worse hands that call a bet and few better hands that fold.
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08-19-2019 , 12:17 AM
(Cool I live NYC too. But I travel to AC more frequently ) I think your line is fine I dont see the incentive to bet. The only hand that calls you, beats you and they would most likely reraise, not call.
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08-19-2019 , 11:56 AM
Thank you both.

He showed AT. Trying to take him off that could have been expensive knowing the player. But needed confirmation I wasn’t being too passive. Cheers.


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