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1/3: Line check, Turned combo draw OOP facing big bet 1/3: Line check, Turned combo draw OOP facing big bet

09-14-2015 , 09:54 PM
$1/$3

V ($250, BTN): Old man, very loose preflop (plays 80% of hands), semi-sticky postflop. Called an EP raise with K9 in MP where he flopped trips and called EP's cbet, turn EP checks, he bets $40 in $70-80, EP calls, river EP checks, he bets $40 again and EP c/r to $140, he calls and loses to AK, ace kicker.

Hero covers; tight, winning image

OTTH:


Hero completes in SB with KT over MP, OMC CO and V (BTN) limp

Flop ($15): Q J 2
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets $15, V calls, Hero calls, BB calls

Turn ($75): 4
Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks, V bets $60, Hero ?

V's range is pretty strong here... likely turned 2p or something.. He's never folding to a CRAI so shoving is spew imo.. Hero decides to call expecting to get paid if he binks river.. is a fold better?

River ($195): 7
Hero bets $150

Figured that V was strong and might get sticky with 2p+ so making a bet that leaves him with $25 for dinner instead of shoving/looking super strong... line check?
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09-15-2015 , 06:50 AM
A fold on the turn would be pretty terrible considering we are practically getting the correct direct odds vs made hands like sets.

On the river, I prefer a shove. It actually looks a bit weaker and it's going to be hard for villain to fold made hands on this river considering most of the draws missed. In fact, if villain was deeper, I'd probably bomb for over pot considering he likely has a very strong hand that he will have difficulty folding here.
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09-15-2015 , 08:24 AM
WP hand. i agree with NLAP that a shove looks bluffier, especially because it was backdoor he will never buy it after almost potting the turn
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09-15-2015 , 11:07 AM
He actually tank-folded and showed a 4 saying he had a set of 4s, "you obviously hit your flush so I can't call".
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09-15-2015 , 12:07 PM
i think check jamming is maybe the best play on the river? if we think hes strong enough to call the jam then we have to assume hes going to bet.

what was the suit of the 4 he showed? why the **** would he call a flop bet in a 4 way limped pot with 44 on a QJ2 board? that literally makes zero sense.
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09-15-2015 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by fastlikeacat
i think check jamming is maybe the best play on the river? if we think hes strong enough to call the jam then we have to assume hes going to bet.

what was the suit of the 4 he showed? why the **** would he call a flop bet in a 4 way limped pot with 44 on a QJ2 board? that literally makes zero sense.

Lol yeah this bro probably had A4hh
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09-15-2015 , 02:23 PM
Did he show the 4 of hearts? That would make sense. No way this guy ever folded a set unless you are giving off crazy live tells. I don't like check/jamming because most villains will call with more hands than they will bet with.
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09-15-2015 , 03:59 PM
I also just complete preflop.

I also just check/evaluate the flop as I doubt a bet is going to fold the world on this board. We're getting 3:1 so I also call, although there is still a guy behind us to act plus some of our outs might be dirty / scary. It's fairly dicey as we're probably on a 7:1 shot but if we can make up a PSB+ on the 6outer we'll do ok, plus there are multiple opponents, plus this is a two pair type of board.

I think a good approximation of outs on this action is 11-13 by the turn; I'm guessing our 2nd nut backdoor flush draw is likely to be good, but I'm also guessing 2 of our OESD outs are not good (to the original flush draw with 2 others calling the flop) plus possibly our flush board pairing outs are no good. That's about ~3+:1 odds needed, and we're getting a bit better than 2+:1, so have to make up a bet+ to breakeven. Still 2 behind us who could check/raise, but are they really playing the hand this way multiway? If anything, they are likely to pad the pot for us. And OMC likely does have a strong hand and will pay off.

I'm shoving the river. There is absolutely no difference in OMC callling frequency of $150 vs $175, imo. We left $25 on the table which is a good hours work.

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09-18-2015 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverLosesAtPoker
Did he show the 4 of hearts?
Nah, 4.. he probably turned two pair with Q4/J4 since he was playing everything preflop..
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