Hero at the table for 2 hours. Tight image. Kinda card dead and not running good. Down 300€. Stack 300€

Villain 1 is the spot at the table. Loose weak straight forward. Lost twice his 100€ stack and then bought in for 500€. Stack ~600€

Villain 2 late 20s male with cap. Kinda tight weak. Seems like a bad reg, never seen him before. Called raises pre but rarely raised himself. Bought in for 500€. Stack now ~400€.

Hero raises in HJ 10€ with 75, V1 in co and V2 otb call, bb calls.

Flop (41€) T43
BB checks, hero bets 25€, V1 and V2 call, BB folds.

Turn (116€) T437
Hero checks, V1 checks, V2 thinks a little bit and bets 80€, hero check-shoves 265€.

Im sure they would raise a set otf and we block the nuts. Not worried at all about V1 in this hand.

V2 could have top pair or maybe even JJ but i thought that it would be really hard for a player like V2 to call here with top pair or even JJ given that i have a tight image and the stongest range. I have the overpairs and sets but he "cant".

It's fine. Lots equity obviously. His range is not nearly as capped as you make it out to be. He can still have all sets, and even a straight. But that makes up small portion of his range.

Not repping much though. Doubt I would fold a 10 here. I'm a bit of station when lines don't make sense. And I am not going to believe someone is c/r an overpair here.

So I would weight your c/r as likely combo draw.

Fold pre, rest of the hand is good. I like the turn play a lot.

I like over betting the turn a lot better. C/R ain't bad but now that V has put a bet in he is much more committed to the pot.

Overbet turn looks like a scared overpair looking to end the hand. Folds out Tx a lot of the time. If you get called its not the end of the world, we can just give up on the river if we brick w/o risking our stack.

Overbet turn risks less while accomplishing the same thing imo.

Don't think you have a lot of FE AP but this is prolly a brag post so nh

Fold pre. If you want to play this hand then buy in deeper or build up your stack.

Turn play is clicking buttons. I don’t see a better hand ever folding. It looks like a punt more than anything else.

You’re ahead of all flush draws on the turn. Play your equity and put more money in on the river when it seems prudent.

No one else has said it yet? I never get to say it!

"Fold pre." (edit: apparently I started my post seconds before johnnyBuz hit submit. Damnit!)

The hand you're choosing to play is not one I recommend against weak players at 1/2-1/3 games. Rec players love their suited aces and suited connectors. They also can become surprisingly sticky, not because they are soul reading and making hero calls, but just because they often don't understand that they don't have as good equity as they imagine.

So now you get a flop that is pretty good for you, but you're at risk that even if you hit your flush you are completely dominated. What calls pre, calls the flop, then bets the turn when you check? Better hearts, possibly any T, any 56s, 33-44, then possibly some other pairs 88+.

Of those hands, how many are folding to the check shove? 33, 44, 56 are definitely calling, AXhh probably will call more often than it should at 1/2. Really the only thing you're folding out are single pair hands, against whom you have the best equity. I think at this point the turn is a check call, and see what happens on the river.

I think Tx folds a lot even though we can argue it shouldn't. As a pure bluff we are getting a decent price and if called we have so many outs so it really doesn't have to work often. Our implied odds are not so great either. If we reverse hh post this as us being V having KT I think a lot of people here would say fold.

Why is it "clicking buttons"?
I checked turn in hope to see a free river and with the plan to x/r if somebody bets.
During the hand i thought that x/r is the most profitable option.
If we call and improve it is very unlikely we will get action .
V2 seemed like a weak tight player. I didnt think he would ever call with a one pair hand. And because of that i thought we still have lots of FE.

It was 1/3
V2 wasnt the kind of sticky player you refer to.
And if he was its great for us. We block his flush outs and are in the lead with our pair of 7.
I think calling is the worst option because we wont get action if he hit.

i thinks its ok i do know some villians that would raise this turn big then fold.


it kind of depends how many folds we are getting

Because you wouldn’t play a value hand that way on a brick offsuit 7 and risk the turn checking through. You don’t play 75s so you can hope to see free rivers when OOP vs. two opponents. You play them to barrel multiple streets since they require seeing turns and rivers to realize their equity and in order to do that you need deeper effective stacks.

I don't like our seat. Our stack ain't deep by any means but it isn't short and we're sitting to the direct right of two deeper stacked (and at least one loose) spots. Likely one of the worst seats at the table unless there are deep difficult players.

If I'm playing I probably lean to open limping. We're simply building a pot with the worse hand OOP to two guys that will likely call preflop. Let's get into a pot for cheaper with them (especially OOP) and then decide postflop if we want to play a big pot.

4ways with just 3 outs to a nut draw, I might just check this flop. With at least 1 loose guy in the mix and 4ways I just don't think we have much FE. We're also not as cool with building a pot with a 7 high flush draw as we would be with a more nuttish draws. We also shouldn't be very cool with getting raised (as a lot of flop raises can be ~nuttish and our equity goes way down). I don't hate a bet as we can set our price (I would have bet much smaller, say $15 which will get the exact number of folds as $25 will), and it's possible we freeze people on the turn from betting (or perhaps get this HU in position where we can take a free card). I just think with less FE / less nut draw the more we're cool with attempting to take a free card.

I'm guessing the turn line is spewy. When a tight weak player bets big on the turn into 2 opponents we should be worried (noting that the OESD got there). I'm too lazy too math to figure out how often this has to work, especially given that we likely still have a decent amount of outs (although rarely as much as we think), but my guess is that this is spew.

GstopbuildingbigpotsOOPwithweakhands,imoG

the thing is when we miss and check fold river we save 190 euros. so people will often say well i had to go all in because if i hit he will fold (and sometimes this is true, alot of times people will call a small bet with their set 4s or 56s here even if the flush draw comes in.

like if i hit flush i would probably lead for like 95 and pray i don't get raised.

i mean if we think he is making this play with hands that would fold to a shove like q-10, j-10, k-10. then folding is a huge mistake because vs those hands we have enough equity to draw

we have like 36-38 percent equity vs those hands and are getting 3.4/1 direct odds.

i think double barreling and setting up the river shove is a better option; even if you don't make your hand, there are some scare cards that you can fire on to generate folds; so setting up the river shove here seems a bit better to me, I think you have more FE with a triple barrel line bc it looks stronger

We have 40% ott against a range of TT, 44, 33, 65s, JTo-ATo, T9s-ATs, A7s, A3s, A2s.

The strong part of his range (sets and straights) are 22 combos.
The weak part 80 combos.

Isnt it a profitable shove ott if we think we can get him to fold all his weak hands which is the bigger part (80%) of his range or am i wrong?

We have about 38% equity against top pair hands:

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

1,584 trials (Exhaustive)

board: T347

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
7h5h	38.07%	603	0
KT, QT, JT	61.93%	981	0

Pot would be 461 if we are called and we win it 38% of the time and lose 62% of the time so EV on being called is -110. If we get a fold we win 196.

Then breakeven is 0 = (1-f)*(-110) + f*196 ... f = 36% (hopefully math is right)

Personally I think we get a ton of folds here, maybe 80% or more. People just don't call $180 more with JT and QT here very often. Johnny seems like an exception and would snap it off but it isn't an easy call and might even wind up being a sweet value shove sometimes against big hearts.

V1 tanks, cant believe i shoved and hates it (NFD?), V2 snaps with 65, river bricks

I play this hand all day pre from the HJ at any stack depth. The advice i would give you is to not fold pre but rather change seats ffs. The spot is on your direct left and another fish is 2 seats to your left. This will significantly hamper your ability to play speculative hands like this.

As for the turn, I like that you are open to playing this hand like this. Whether it's good or not is mostly dependent on V2s range here. The thing that would give me most pause is his bet sizing which seems to indicate a lot of strength. However, if we think he is stabbing too much with one pair hands then I like this line. Also it would probably be better if the one obvious straight draw didn't hit.

I don't like the x/shove at all. What value hands take that line? Ideally none: you're either continuing with all of them or x/cing them.

You're never getting 2-pair or sets to fold (and they'll usually still call the river if you hit), so I'd much prefer a b/b/b line (including brick rivers) since it represents an overpair much more credibly and puts the maximum pressure on Tx. AP, your hand looks like exactly what it is.

Obviously im not trying to get sets or straights to fold.
No way V2 has 2 pair here. Like i said before i was sure he would raise a set otf. So im trying to get one pair hands to fold. I wasnt playing against a good thinking player. Thats why i thought during the hand that it is a profitable move. If we get called we still have outs

I had no chance to change seat. The seat wasnt as bad because at least i had 3 good aggressive regs to my right which made playing easier having position on them.
Ya i was also a little bit worried about his bet but thought he would bet for sure his top pairs and there are only 3 combos of 65s but 74 combos of top pairs he could have in his range.

Didnt read any comments.

Here it comes.

FOLD PRE.

Ap hand is played fine post. Flop bet good with 7 high no sdv and lots of equty. Ott is a good check, bad card for our range and we have SDV. X/c and x/jam are both +EV but x/jam is prob slightly more +EV with FE. Plus im sure A2hh and combo draws call here a good amount and you’re ahead whereas they give up brick rivers, or they yolo bluff jam and you fold the best hand