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12-13-2018 , 10:07 PM
Hero at the table for 2 hours. Winning solid tag image. Up 500€. Stack 1.2k

Villain 1 loose weak reg in mid 40s. Just sat down with 300€

Villain 2 very loose drinking recreational. Stack ~600€

Villain 3 very good known reg. Stack ~2k

V1 raises in mp 12€, hj, co call, V2 calls otb, hero calls in sb with 77, V3 calls in bb.

Flop (72€) AT7
Hero and V3 check, V1 bets 32€, hj+co fold, V2, Hero and V3 call.

Turn (200) AT73
Hero and V3 check, V1 bets 60, V2 calls 60€, hero raises to 250€

Im not sure about the sizing. Beeing this deep with V2 and V3 i wanna get more money in the pot.
But i think when i raise turn my hand is kinda face up.
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12-13-2018 , 11:07 PM
Exploitatively I'd just lead turn huge, im not a huge fan of taking super unbalanced lines where we only have the nuts but I don't particularly like a x/r here ott 5-way when we called flop 6-way.

I think a x/r is super nutted and you're hardly getting action from worse than two pair.

Either that or x/r flop, but even then that looks really nutty too.

I'd just bet huge ott like $180, or donk flop big and donk turn big. I think I like a flop lead and keep leading on future streets. It's not that I'm afraid of it checking thru, but a x/r otf or ott looks so nutty and as long as they have half a brain, they can easily get away from Ax or even weak two pairs that are not aces Up.
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12-13-2018 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SUYAPA
.......... Beeing this deep with V2 and V3 i wanna get more money in the pot.
But i think when i raise turn my hand is kinda face up.
Sir: best way to get more money in the pot is to donk bet this flop ........
It makes our hand less obvious than a check-raise
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12-13-2018 , 11:54 PM
As played leading turn here is a really cool play, I like that idea.

Last edited by Badreg2017; 12-14-2018 at 12:10 AM.
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12-14-2018 , 12:43 AM
I like your line OP, but Im making it bigger on the turn. When our hand is face up nutted its very important to bet big. I make it about 375
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12-14-2018 , 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Exploitatively I'd just lead turn huge, im not a huge fan of taking super unbalanced lines where we only have the nuts but I don't particularly like a x/r here ott 5-way when we called flop 6-way.

I think a x/r is super nutted and you're hardly getting action from worse than two pair.

Either that or x/r flop, but even then that looks really nutty too.

I'd just bet huge ott like $180, or donk flop big and donk turn big. I think I like a flop lead and keep leading on future streets. It's not that I'm afraid of it checking thru, but a x/r otf or ott looks so nutty and as long as they have half a brain, they can easily get away from Ax or even weak two pairs that are not aces Up.
If this was true then you should take all of your pocket pairs that whiffed the flop and start check/raising relentlessly. I hope you don't do this or you will go broke in less than a week.


Hero really doesn't need to be balanced at all. V1 has put in 1/3rd of his stack and clearly has at least top pair. He's not going anywhere. Would you really advocate that hero go for a bluff or semibluff in this spot? If not, then this is a fist pump spot to cram in the money because you are going to get called the vast majority of the time by V1, and when V1 calls, then it's probably 50/50 on whether V2 or V3 calls or fold.
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12-14-2018 , 10:41 AM
I like your line. I would bet close to pot with some bluffs here. So my only nit picking is sizing. I would go $300.

Other route. Is to flat. Look for raise on river. It is a Gamble because board can get scary and slow action. But definitely less stressful route. And plays more face up.
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12-14-2018 , 03:40 PM
I dont have a donking range at all. I dont like it but there are for sure spots where its good to lead out.

I feel like the only way to get more money in the pot is to call ott, pray for a brick otr and hope that we get the chance to x/r. Everything else looks too nutted and exactly like what it is.

Everyone snap foldet. V1 and V2 talked after the hand about what they had and what they think i had. V1 said he had AK, V2 T7. They were discussing if i had 2pair or 77.
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12-14-2018 , 04:33 PM
Well neither of those hands ever wanted to face a raise. But having nitty image is going to continue to cost you in future.

Had I been in hand. I for sure getting called by the 2 pair. And AK would call often if he was last to act.

Knowing what they folded should entice you to bluff more. Not necessarily look for alternative lines to eek out value.
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12-14-2018 , 04:35 PM
It can be hard to get paid with the effective nuts and it’s annoying that even rec players can fold 2 pair hands in this kind of spot.

Given our opponents and stack sizes I probably go for the x/r as well but I think the donk line has merits. It tends be nutted as well in these spots but it looks weird and is probably harder to fold to than the x/r.
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12-14-2018 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mikko
Well neither of those hands ever wanted to face a raise. But having nitty image is going to continue to cost you in future.

Had I been in hand. I for sure getting called by the 2 pair. And AK would call often if he was last to act.

Knowing what they folded should entice you to bluff more. Not necessarily look for alternative lines to eek out value.
I didnt have a nitty image. Just patience and picking good spots. People saw me value bet thinly and 3b light.
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12-14-2018 , 05:25 PM
What in the world is with V1's sizing on turn, and what is V2 doing just calling (if those are the actual hands)?

I actually might donk the flop maybe half pot acting as if I had an A to "see where I was at." Then check/call or maybe check/raise turn depending on action. I might even donk turn, too, if I weren't seen as tight, but that wouldn't work for me -- I'm not nitty, but I have a tight image.
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12-14-2018 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SUYAPA
I dont have a donking range at all. I dont like it but there are for sure spots where its good to lead out.

I feel like the only way to get more money in the pot is to call ott, pray for a brick otr and hope that we get the chance to x/r. Everything else looks too nutted and exactly like what it is.

Everyone snap foldet. V1 and V2 talked after the hand about what they had and what they think i had. V1 said he had AK, V2 T7. They were discussing if i had 2pair or 77.
I dont like it either, but your line looks like absolutely the nuts. I like 80% otf 80% or more ott, and decide sizing on river runot. and as I orginally thought they could even fold hands as strong as weak two pair (given he’s telling the truth) and definitely strong Aces
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12-14-2018 , 06:18 PM
Donk flop - there are 5 other players preflop and somebody is bound to have something.

I would consider going for the Turn x/r, depending on who called the flop.
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12-17-2018 , 01:46 PM
I suck at deepstack.

I'm fine with preflop.

I likely just donk the flop this multiway and hope to start getting paid off by Ax.

As played, with the two weakest players in the hand still I likely do a small check/raise. As played, I'm wondering why V3 is still in the hand.

I likely donk the turn. Way too good a chance this gets checked around this multiway as Ax will often freeze up here. Plus we're able to set our own price (instead of having someone bet a 1/3 PSB which gives draws decent odds). As for check/raising, even though I wouldn't do it, I really couldn't care if it turns my hand face up against the good deep reg; in fact, I'd rather he not be in the pot at all. I'm just going after the chips for where I'm going to get my chips.

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