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04-27-2019 , 04:16 PM
Running well and sitting with around 930 in my stack. 5 hands prior I called a guys bluff shove on the river with AQ and took it down with A high. I believe my image is good and have zero history with the players.

Hero is on the HJ with 10Jss

Weak ABC player with 300 stack opens from UTG (villain) to 9, MP calls, HJ calls and I elect to raise to 35 from the CO. Villain calls the rest fold.

Pot $88 Flop comes 3s 7c Jc

Villain checks and we bet 60 villain quickly calls.

Pot $208 Turn 5d

Villain checks again. At this point I’m assuming he is sitting on big suited cards. I don’t think he would have checked AA,KK,QQ combos twice. We block JJ and beat 10s. There's about a PSB effective left.

Hero:?

Post results after.

Last edited by Garick; 04-28-2019 at 10:07 AM. Reason: removed results
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04-27-2019 , 05:59 PM
With two overcallers, I think we should size up our 3b sizing. I'd go $45+.

Our flop bet is rather large. I'd really prefer going small here, ~1/3. We put a good price on our bluffs and make it easy to get called by worse. We want his 88-TT floating, along with his overcards. As played, it's hard for him to float with those dominated hands, so I really think it's best to just go for the cheap showdown. We're basically turning our hand into a bluff when we shove. Also, we can discount most KK+ combos from his range because he didn't 4b.
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04-28-2019 , 10:05 AM
I don't see a need to 3-bet pre here. We have a hand that loves to play multi-way, and we have position. I'd just call.

AP, the quick call OTF is usually indicative of a draw. Better hands would at least consider raising. I generally agree with QS's strat, but not here. I hate flop downbets, especially on wet boards, especially in 1/2 or 1/3 where players play so inelastically. Get that value.

Just so you know, your final action and his response to it are also considered results. I edited them out and won't respond to turn since I've seen them.
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04-28-2019 , 12:14 PM
Pretty easy call pre. As played shove.
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04-29-2019 , 11:32 AM
I think there's argument for all 3 plays preflop. I probably lean to flatting the most but I'm very passive like that.

One of the problems with the 3bet preflop with these stacks is that we end up in commitment spots right away if the 3bet doesn't take it down. FWIW, I just noticed we made it lol $35 after a $9 open and 2 calls, which in my game would guarantee a 5way pot (assuming just one of the 3 players behind us who haven't acted yet coldcalls). So if we're 3betting, we better make it $50+ here. And even as is (somehow getting this HU), we're still in an SPR 3 pot with TPmehK, which is gross. So at this point, everything we do kinda sucks. We're betting the flop hoping like hell it takes it down (we're almost bluffing with TP), because otherwise we're likely forced to shove the remaining PSB on the turn; good luck being best if we're called.

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04-29-2019 , 11:34 AM
I love this hand multi-way for a call of the initial raise. Not sure why you chose to 3bet?

As played, just shove.
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04-29-2019 , 12:00 PM
Not a great 3b, call instead.

Why would we shove tpbk against a weak ABC player who raised utg and called a 3b? I disagree with V can't have QQ+, they do weak stuff like slowplay all the time. Some abc players have no 4bet range. It would be sick if he has AJ and makes a hero fold but we have way better shoves here with no showdown value.
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04-29-2019 , 12:52 PM
It's a shove for value man. It comes with the territory when you decide to 3! JTs pre with 100 BB stacks and get this board.
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04-29-2019 , 03:14 PM
So often I see these players nit roll KK and say they were worried you had AA. I think its reasonable to give him QQ/KK/AJ. There are way more combos of those than flush draws.

I would not have 3bet this, but as played, I am looking to check this hand down unless I bink a J or T otr. Facing an EP open and a flop call I think you are much further behind than you think. These light 3bets and blastoffs with weak top pair seem really spewy against these types of villains.
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04-29-2019 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
It's a shove for value man. It comes with the territory when you decide to 3! JTs pre with 100 BB stacks and get this board.


What worse hand is going to call? It wasn't a great series of decisions up until now but imo it doesn't mean blast off now against a weakling who raises utg called a 3b and xced flop.
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04-29-2019 , 11:59 PM
3bet pre is fine, but go ahead little bigger since there's 2 callers, make it 45 Smaller on flop though or check back
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04-30-2019 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by mdelore
What worse hand is going to call? It wasn't a great series of decisions up until now but imo it doesn't mean blast off now against a weakling who raises utg called a 3b and xced flop.
TT, 99, 88, Axcc. Deny equity to hands like AcKx, AcQx that may have called flop. We still have the best hand here quite often and we force villain to bluff catch. And in the event he has QQ+ we still have five outs.
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04-30-2019 , 12:37 AM
call pre

bet smaller on flop

check back turn

consider folding to a river bet, and probably check behind river

~~~ Reasoning ~~~

call pre - as mentioned you have position in a multiway pot which is what JTs loves. your 3b makes an awkward stack size, and you're 3b an ABC villain who is UTG, so you're prob not getting enough folds from him either pre or after the flop

bet smaller on flop - it's a wa/wb, you probably have more flush draws than him in your range so equity denial is less of a consideration, as an ABC he's unlikely to bluff shove any bet, if he doesn't think you're out of line why will he call a big bet with worse than JT?

check back turn - once he calls your 3b and cbet, what does he have that you're actually ahead of? what is he going to call your shove with that you beat? the only FD he can really have is exactly AcQc so I'm not sure what a bet accomplishes.

river play - based on my turn assessment, you can't make him fold better or call with worse so just go for a cheap showdown and hope you're good.
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04-30-2019 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
TT, 99, 88, Axcc. Deny equity to hands like AcKx, AcQx that may have called flop. We still have the best hand here quite often and we force villain to bluff catch. And in the event he has QQ+ we still have five outs.
villain is described as ABC, which means he is unlikely to play any of those hands that way. he has something like Ac5c much more rarely than big pairs, and he's probably rarely/never peeling with AcKx. even an ABC player will often check/shove AcKc type hands on the flop or get it in pre. I doubt he's going broke with a pair under Jx, and QQ/AJ are his most likely holdings.

JT is barely a value bet in hero's distribution - if at all (AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AJ, QJ are all better and have better removal). if we're 3b JTs here then we can also reasonably have tons of draws which might be a reason we need to bet JT so that we're not overbluffing turn; or bc our turn bet looks a lot more like a draw than a pair so we can get called lighter. however, our opponent is unlikely to be considering the latter so we can play a lot more straight forward and exploitatively and just bet value and take free cards with draws.

tl;dr I think we have a lot less fold equity than you do.
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