1/3, weekend daytime, 9-handed, generally profitable table dynamics (running bad)

Hero ($300) limps with red queens. Nitty image, no hands played in last hour.
Villain A (25yo Asian male, 14/10, $250) opens to $12 in MP
Villain B (70yo white male, fish, $30) calls on button
Villain C (60yo white male, glasses, unknown, has been on the table for 1 orbit and not played a hand, $220) 3-bets to $46 in the BB

Hero calls
VillainA folds
VillainB calls all-in for his remaining $18

Flop ($135 including side pot of $32): 852ss

Villain C quickly shoves for his remaining $174

What do you do?

How else should you have played the hand earlier?

Er, why are you limping queens?

Honestly, as played I'd probably just muck the QQ to the 46 preflop because I prefer to assign old guys an extremely tight threebetting range, like QQ+ AK or so, until proven otherwise. If you're calling pre you're clearly getting it in on this flop.

I don't mind the LRR attempt with QQ, but once it's 3-bet by older guy in the blind I'm fine with letting it go.

This is borderline. It's 70bb deep (so ok for QQ) against a pretty tight range (maybe not so good). Can we see the 3-bettor shoving flop with JJ-TT, and would he three with those preflop?

i'd just lol fold to the 3b AP.

raise yourself

Obviously a trivial call now, flop is as good as we can expect.

Pre, raise instead of lrr and I fold QQ to cold 4bets by old nits.

Stop with the l/rr BS. You haven’t played a hand in an hour what do you think is going to happen when you l/rr? Just raise it up to a normal sizing and go from there.

WereBeer - it’s a 3bet not a 4bet. his range is still probably KK+ however

TY johnny

Stop being nit.

If you are going to be nit. Do it right and fold pre.

I'm totally cool with the initial limp (would be my standard play). ETA: You can raise too, although I'm not convinced it's more EV than limping, although it's table dependent (especially with regards to how moronic people are postflop). In this case here, a raise would have seen a 4way pot (let's assume we didn't get 3bet) for a small percentage of our stack (standard, amirite?), and against postflop non morons OOP that ain't a terrific result, imo (but if you consider it a good one, then go for it).

ETA#2: More directed at Johnny's "what do you think is going to happen". If everyone isn't a complete moron postflop, getting some aggro guy to raise $12 and get called in multiple places and then take it down preflop and get them to forfeit all their equity isn't nearly as bad a result as you think, imo. If everyone is a complete moron postflop, ok, then the result might not be as good as it could be.

Really tricky spot against an unknown. I would default to simply folding, because I think that's what we should default to when facing a 3bet from a 60 year old white guy with glasses from the blinds. Once I get better reads, then I'd consider changing my default.

I fold the flop for the same reasons I would have folded preflop (again defaulting to my default play against the majority of my 1/3 NL population). If he shows up with JJ/TT/AK or anything else, then obviously adjust your default against this guy.

GcluelessNLnoobG

At these lol-stack depths, I'm getting it in preflop with QQ (and possibly JJ sometimes), unless I know the old guy personally and he's an OMC. If he has KK/AA here, whatever, I'm gonna go look for a better table.

I mean isn't that why you decided to limp? It's a limp-reraise, not limp-flat-3bet.

Obviously we limped to 3bet a raise. Things change drastically when someone else decides to 3bet first (especially since 3bets at a lot of tables can easily be nutted).

GcluelessNLnoobG

This hand is weird idk fold pre or call now. The only thing u absolutely cannot do is call pre and fold now.

Also limping QQ? Cmon bro

It's okay to go for a limp-reraise, as long as it balances well with your overall strategy.

However, once you face the 3bet, you need to fold. This old man has JJ-AA almost always, and our QQ performs poorly against a range of JJ+.

I see Very few old men 3bet with JJ, i'm putting him on KK+.

Easy call as played

Nobody in my games can lay down QQ when they should.

An old guy 3-betting (even if his sizing is too small) is one time to consider it.

But in an occasional un-raked, late-night home game, at these stack sizes I don't think I could lay it down. Even if I "should" ... Except against those particular old guys with glasses, into the muck QQ would go.

A good reason to profile and pay attention to our Villains because these spots come up. A stack is a terrible thing to waste.