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03-06-2014 , 07:37 AM

fizzypants

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Hero ($400ish, been pretty tight overall)

V ($70, young guy, getting tired)

Hero picks up KTdd in MP, makes it $20 over an EP limper expecting respect a.k.a. folds

V in BB shoves $70 and wears coat and stands like he's ready to leave

Hero folds and V murmurs "really?" and flips 33

My thought process: If V has like $60, I'd always call here. But $70 feels like a little too much. Maybe I should raise slightly lesser pf.

Is this okay?

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03-06-2014 , 07:45 AM

Buster65

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Let's see, folding when the pot contains approximately 97 and we have to call 50, getting almost 2-1. No, not okay.

Call.

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03-06-2014 , 08:02 AM

Duke0424

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Originally Posted by Buster65

Let's see, folding when the pot contains approximately 97 and we have to call 50, getting almost 2-1. No, not okay.

Call.

Its $91 after rake so we need 36%

Definitely can consider folding KTs when we're gonna be dominated a lot, flipping sometimes, and dominating never

Depends on how the SS has been playing. Against someone who's been shoving a lot, I'd just call. Against someone more standard and ABC, I'd fold. The putting on the jacket thing is usually a reverse tell.

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03-06-2014 , 09:09 AM

PascCl

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don't post spoilers, it's hard to see if you made the right play knowing the result

I think this is a good fold, we know he had 33, but that's probably the lower side of the range he does this with, anything from AA-22, AT+ might be in that range too.

We're not getting the required 1-2 odds against the 33 and we're sure as hell not getting them against the rest of his range?

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03-06-2014 , 09:43 AM

Duke0424

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^ were definitely getting odds vs 33

Its the KJ/KQ/AK/AT/TT/JJ/QQ/KK/AA part of his range that we're crushed by

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03-06-2014 , 12:02 PM

gobbledygeek

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You're being asked to call $50 in order to win about $90. So we're getting almost 2:1 odds closing the action. Villain is tired and tired shortstacked villains can typically get their stacks in extremely lightly. Against 99-, we're laughing, against QQ/JJ we're doing okish. Against two big cards that aren't dominating us, we're doing fine, against a dominating hand, we're not doing great. Against random crap (like speculative suited connectors), we're laughing.

Overall, I think this is a pretty simple call. It also might help give us a gambooley image which will help get us paid off later.

GcluelessNLnoobG

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03-06-2014 , 12:08 PM

gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by PascCl

We're not getting the required 1-2 odds against the 33

If Villain actually showed us 33 we would snap call; KTs is a 50/50 coinflip (actually, it is a slight favourite) and we only need ~35% equity (whereas we have ~50%). Against his whole wide range of hands, there are very few where we aren't getting anything close to ~%35, while there are quite a few where we are easily getting a lot more.

GcallingG

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03-06-2014 , 12:14 PM

gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by Duke0424

Its the KJ/KQ/AK/AT/TT/JJ/QQ/KK/AA part of his range that we're crushed by

This range of hands is only 6% of the total range, and while he obviously ain't shoving with 100% of his range, he's probably still shoving with a fairly wide range (~20% seems fairly reasonable if you stove it). And this range is also the worst case scenario, which, as it turns out, isn't all that bad (poker stove puts us at ~29% equity against this range, which really isn't too far off the ~35% equity we need).

GpokerstovingG

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03-06-2014 , 03:14 PM

Dirty313

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easy call for that amount

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03-06-2014 , 05:09 PM

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Man of Means

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Putting coat on is a reverse-reverse tell a lot of the time. Meaning, he is cool with "double up or go home" and is cool with taking the pot. With a real monster hand I see most tired villains freeze in their chairs.
Given the price it's not a fist-pump but is still a call.

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03-06-2014 , 11:09 PM

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Flushie

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Calling to advertise

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03-06-2014 , 11:20 PM

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wj94

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Are you a reg? If so call, you have decent odds and it's good for your image.

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03-06-2014 , 11:21 PM

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StuffyBaker

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Posting spoilers ruins the hand

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03-06-2014 , 11:45 PM

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johnnyBuz

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

Off topic but where can I get PS? Do I need C++ or something on my computer?

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03-07-2014 , 12:17 AM

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pgcounty

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Man of Means nails is with the physical tells: Tired, putting coat on, and getting out of the seat isn't ever AA or KK. Probably not QQ or AK either.

Easy call with the odds.

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03-07-2014 , 12:28 AM

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thatoneguy22

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What casino did you play in?

Sent from my SPH-L720 using 2+2 Forums

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03-07-2014 , 12:08 PM

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gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

Off topic but where can I get PS? Do I need C++ or something on my computer?

See this thread for recent PokerStove info:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...ght=pokerstove

GcluelessNLnoobG

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