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1/3 KK vs tight older guy 1/3 KK vs tight older guy

07-21-2018 , 11:59 AM
Friday night game. Table has a few newer players and villain and I have not really played any pots together.

Villain: (500, covers) looks to be about 50 year old white guy. Looks like decent tag/nit based on mannerisms and buying in for full 400. Villain has seen me squeeze his $10 utg open after getting 5 callers when I was in small blind, I had AQ and wound up getting it all in vs 2 short stacks. One had QJs and hit a flush. Villain has also raised $10 in early position after that with AA in the same configuration, probably goading me to squeeze again.

Hero: (335) have been playing pretty squeeze happy. I've 3bet at least 4 times during this session, the AQ hand, another hand with AJ that no one saw, another hand with KK that I showed, and another hand with A2s that got to showdown. I've been playing fairly ABC post flop though, maybe even a little nitty.

Preflop: utg limps, utg1 limps, villain raises to 13 from utg2, button (tag) calls, hero has K1/3 KK vs tight older guy:K1/3 KK vs tight older guy and raises to 55, only villain hesitates momentarily and calls.

Flop: 41/3 KK vs tight older guy:51/3 KK vs tight older guy61/3 KK vs tight older guy:
Hero bets 75, villain shoves. Hero? I have 205 left.

Bet sizing okay? Fine to stack off?

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07-21-2018 , 12:06 PM
Hero snaps, come on
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07-21-2018 , 12:21 PM
how could you fold this ever. if you're scared of a $200 bet dont play 1/3
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07-21-2018 , 12:27 PM
to answer this question you need to figure out the SPR. stack to pot ratio.

Preflop was $55 so we have around $280 left

the pot going to the flop was around $110

$280/$110 is about 2.5

so our SPR is 2.5(which is fine to stack off)
spr is why was 3bet...we want a low spr so V can stack off with 1 pair or overpair. if he floped a set or two pair he didn't have the odds to do it pre flop. this is why we bring multiple buyins

the reason you bet the flop is to get stacks in. It sucks you got raised but you can't fold after putting in $55 pre and $75 post. this is around %30 of your stack.


what do you guys think about a very small sizing on the flop/turn/river?(like %40)
if you bet $35 on the flop the pot would be $180 we could then bet $70 on the turn and the rest on the river
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07-21-2018 , 01:01 PM
Yea this is a snap. The lower the board the more confident we can be in snapping because he's a tight player who opened from EP and will have more overpairs and fewer nutted hands.

Kind of a weird hand, I wouldn't expect him to open many hands that can make two pair, a set, or a straight from +2, but I would expect TT-AA to open bigger. There aren't that many Axss combos but I'm guessing something like AQss/AJss/A5ss is disproportionately likely, 77/88 makes some sense too, but he might just limp that as well.

Curious for results if you got to see his hand.
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07-21-2018 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by whatnow88
to answer this question you need to figure out the SPR. stack to pot ratio.

Preflop was $55 so we have around $280 left

the pot going to the flop was around $110
There is dead money in the pot from limpers and initial callers, pot is closer to $130 I think, your SPR should reflect this.
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07-21-2018 , 07:04 PM
Snapcall. Sorry he had AA.
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07-21-2018 , 07:07 PM
For sure didn't have AA comeon
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07-21-2018 , 07:24 PM
Trivial call, we're completely committed here.
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07-21-2018 , 07:36 PM
Heads up, with this stack depth and with Ks, we shouldn't be folding this.
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07-23-2018 , 12:13 PM
I like preflop and our sizing. Villain has raised slightly larger and after a couple of limpers in EP so pretty good chance he has something solid, and we have a FOS squeezy 3betty image, and our raise size prevents ~setmining. Nice.

SPR is 2.5 and there's no Ace, so we're 100% committed at this point. Board is fairly drawy and there are a bunch of scare cards that could slow things down. I would actually consider open jamming this ourselves with our image and against what looks like an overpair from Villain. Otherwise I'd PSB it (he's unlikely to fold an overpair to a single bet so let's get max value). Snap calling the shove and feeling pretty awesome about it.

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