1/3 -- KK -- preflop mistake?
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1/3 - 9 handed - MGM national harbor (Friday night 9pm)
H - Aggro image (H stack is $450)
V- Young Asian kid that just sat down and bought in for $400. (max buy in is $500).
(V stack is $400)
- Hero is on the button and Hero looks down at KK ( I am thinking " this time, I have it")
- 4 limbs to Hero on the button and I make it $20
- V makes it $50 from big blind. (V - just sat down so he doesn't know about my current Aggro image) BTW- I'm a 40ish white guy.
- Everyone folds and it is back on hero.
Hero?
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I would make it at least $30 pre here on the button, but $40+ for sure OOP. AP, I would raise to $135, obviously calling if they jam.
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You can either flat the $50 or make it $125 now. $125 is a small 4 bet but works compared to stacks and sets up a nice size to bet $125 on the flop and shove turn. Flatting is a bit more risky but SPR is going to be low and gives villain a chance to spew off on their own. Without a better read on villain it's guess work which is better.
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Yeah, I made it $200 and right after I made the bet, I thought.. He is going to fold the hands I want him calling with. I was thinking after the hand I should of made it $125 to $150. He tanked and then he folded JJ.. I won $60 with zero risk of him hitting a set and losing $400. But, I think the better play would of been to make it $130ish.
BTW- at MGM, no flop no drop so there is some advantage of winning money preflop vs post flop.
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Yeah you're in great shape either way. Raise PF to get more money in or flatting to get him to bet on the flop. I prefer to keep things simple and raise PF.
I would change the initial raise with 4 limpers. I usually do 4BB + 1BB per limper, so here you'd be looking for at least $25. Don't want a huge multiway with KK.
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Larger with your initial raise, smaller with your 4!. Overall it seems okay though.
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V's 3! is way too small; H's 4! is too big.
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4bet all the way here. No reason to be scared.
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With these deep of stacks and facing a 3bet after all these limps (we shouldn't be getting *that* out-of-line, imo), I think I lean to a flat and play some postflop poker in position (possibly even just sigh folding to cbets on A high flops, and otherwise on good boards going into a more calling station mode).
ETA: After 4 limpers this deep the preflop initial sizing is certainly an interesting spot; I think any "standard" raise here might actually be fairly bad (as mostly we go 5ways to the flop with those) so I would mostly consider other options (including a minraise or even an overlimp if blinds are aggro). And I'm not really scared by flatting the 3bet, I more just don't want produce what happened here; a 4bet at most tables I play at is AA (sometimes KK), so if you're looking to fold out worse, then 4bet away. Last session out I 3bet AK preflop with full intention of shoving any flop; thankfully my face up opponent 4bet his AA and prevented me from handing him my stack.
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Last edited by gobbledygeek; 03-11-2019 at 01:20 PM.