Eight-handed 1/3 game.

UTG+1: Mid 50’s white female. Tight-aggressive regular. About 200.

BB: Early 50’s white male. Loose, moderately aggressive. If a multi-way pot checks around on the flop and then checks to him on the turn, he bets just about every time. About 350.

Hero covers with about 500

Pre-Flop:
UTG folds
UTG+1 raises to 13
Folds to hero in SB who makes it 35 with KK
BB calls
UTG+1 calls

Flop: 3 4 5 (Pot after rake: 100)
Hero bets 60
BB calls
UTG+1 folds

Turn: 3 4 5 2 (Pot after rake: 220)
Hero ???

BB has about 250 remaining. Comments on all streets are welcome. If you bet the turn, (1) how much and (2) are you calling a shove? If you check, how are you responding to a bet?

Ok I am going to not pick the 3 bet sizing pre. I like larger 40-45 pre setting up a low stack to pot ratio as possible. Flop bet seems a little small as well something more like 3/4 psb. Now this turn is bad for you obviously but I think betting accomplishes very little. I like checking and re evaluating.

I don't think there are many straights in Vs range really. Id say the most likely straight is 66 and that's a stretch considering you 3 bet(which is part of the reason a prefer larger). I also think its unlikely he is coming along with just A high. Depending if villain bets I am likely calling. Reason being I think his range is weighted more towards 99-JJ type hands rather than 22-66 and AK/AQ type hands.

I think v can have alot of Ax in his range here... Especially if he is peel happy post with overs..
Obv ck this turn and see what he does..

check and fold, AJ+ beats you and I dont think there's a scenario where he doesnt have an ace.

I'd check fold to a raise and move on to the next hand.

PF: Bet more, around 50.

Flop: PSB, or I might even overbet sth like 120, shoving to a re-raise, calling all shoves. If he flatted AA pre then oh well.

Turn: as played b/f 120, lots of Aces in his PF range (ATo+, Ax suited), 67 less likely, weaker pairs also possibly calling pre-flop, if we include 22+ in his range then there's lots of sets we're crushed by as well. Too many things he's calling flop with to keep us in the hand that we lose to IMO.

Upon further review: don't b/f, just c/f turn. If by some miracle he doesn't bet, c/f river unimproved.

If he knows that you 3-bet a TAG pre, and if he's a thinker (two big ifs), he should be able to range you on a big PP, but AK should also be a big part of your range here so... ugh.

These are the kinds of spots I get stuck in as well, often checking and then switching into station mode only to see villain flip over A-rag after I call the river.

Lol what? I mean obviously this is villain dependent but is he really calling $60 on the flop in the middle of a 3 way 3 bet pot with ace high? I feel like he shows up with 66-JJ here a lot.

I'm not necessarily saying check folding is terrible but there are plenty of scenarios where he doesn't have an ace.

We think V is calling flop with A high... Really? I mean its possible with the smaller bet sizing but definatley not the majority of his range. Also did you bother to read the description of villan, he is bluff happy.

Don't know if the description given really means bluff-happy, just that V takes stabs at pots nobody's interested in. Rarely do we see both flop and turn check through when someone's got a decent hand, so I'd argue that V isn't necessarily going bluff happy at every opportunity.

I think the problem in this hand is the flop bet, far too small as we probably have lots of FE against most of his range. I also think a cbet narrows our range in V's eyes. By giving him the decent price of 60, we keep in 66 which is almost 38% to win at this point, and AKo is still 25%. Sets have us crushed but would probably raise flop hoping we can't toss an overpair and will stack off.

c/f turn, move on

Ax+ If s00ted
AJ, AQ

what line will you take? OOP its almost a given that you're going to get 3bet shoved after any bet other then shoving it yourself, which is risky.

Again, so he's calling a 3bet preflop with some random ax suited. He sees a flop in the middle of a 3 way pot. Completely whiffs (on a rainbow board). The preflop 3 better cbets which is gonna be Ak or an over pair here like always, and we think V just flats with some random ax with another player still left to act behind? We are essentially giving this villain credit for floating in a 3 way 3 bet pot with another person left to act?

I mean I know there are plenty of people that are terrrrrrible at 1-3, but ranging him on ONLY Ax here is crazy.

It is faaaaaar from a given that we get jammed on if we bet the turn (also, it wouldn't be a 3bet). If he did float the flop with Ax, then yes he probably jams. But if he has 77-QQ, he doesn't jam and probably folds.

It's a tough spot, because if he thought his overpair was good on the flop, he's now afraid we have AQ or AK. It's going to be really hard to get called by worse and if we just check it gives him the opportunity to turn his pair into a bluff if he's good. Its going to be very villain and game flow dependent. I'm a little torn between betting small like $80 and check/evaluating.

You are leaving out the whole portion of his range that we beat. Ok lets say he would call with Ak/AQ and 66, 66 being an obvious call not so much ace high. We are still ahead of the larger portion of his range 77-QQ. And it sounds like we are in agreent that he almost never has a set. We should be making a decision based on his entire range, not just the small portion you described.

By checkin we allow him to bluff and vs that range I think we have to call. We need to be looking at all factors i the situation. More details on the villain would also be helpful.

the_tubapol

In your post you are showing lots of uncertainty on whether you are even confident in our decision to check fold. It isn't as simple as oh he has lots of Ax in his range. When we check our hand should be face up and villian who is known to stab at weakness will likely try to push us off our hand since the board just became a 1 liner to a straight. I don't even see real rational on you changing your mind from bet/fold to check/fold other than you some how ranging him for any Ax.

I actually like bet-folding small a lot.

bet fold i think is the way to go, your small 3 bet and flop continuation bet can look alot like a big A, fire again on the turn and it will probably have the v's fearing you have the A if they raise you can fold if they call im probably checking on the river.

See bet folding is far better than the just saying oh he has A high all the time which just isn't the case.

Problem with bet folding tho is worse never calls. Not to mention there is barely a pot sized bet behind.

Stack sizes are awkward. Turn is c/f. If c/c river is small bet/fold. I bet may be 90 as to not induce and enough to b/f.

Betting turn is horrible

There are 36 combos of worse pocket pairs that we still beat. So we need to think that he floated us on the flop with 36 different combos of Ace high hands for us to consider check/folding here. That seems ridiculous.

Prolly check/calling turn. If he checks the turn I'm value betting the river.

Tough spot. After quick look back at V, i think check/call is right line. It gives him a chance to bet with worse, (this type V often over plays over pairs).

Bet/fold to a large bet is also option. Just dont see alot of $100+ bluffs. And folding in this situation can't be a huge mistake vs his hole range.

If he checks behind i am betting 1/3-1/2 pot on river for fat value.

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Bet more on flop. $75. V's will call with plenty of worse.

V mostly has a straight or an overpair (with a few over pair + draws, flopped nuts, a few sets).

Unfortunately, our range is similar.

So I think it's really tough to bet for value on the turn. 77-JJ fold too much imo.

V also has plenty of Ax that aren't just A-high on the flop.

V could certainly have A2, A3, A4, A5, A6, 66. That's a ton of straight combos.

So check the turn. Look at his bet size if he bets.

Probably check/fold a lot here.

Actually, OP, what is villain's range pre-flop?

I just noticed your read and that he's calling a 3-bet oop.

I would think he's pretty focused at something like 88-JJ.

Definitely an interesting hand. Pre you can 3 bet a little larger, but nothing super egregious in sizing as played. This is a pretty bad spot and the BB can over represent its hand, but position allows you to do that. Check/folding would probably be the best line but it'd feel like you're folding the best hand a majority of the time.

Larger pre. You are OOP and you want a low SPR.

Flop bet is standard.

Turn is clearly a c/f.

I agree with p/f bet not being big enough but what are people arguing about the flop bet? It's a little more than half the pot on board that doesn't connect to many hands that call p/f