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01-20-2020 , 10:23 AM
1/3 NLHE

Hero: 30yo WG, used to play full time in this room and I have signif history with everyone in the hand.

Villain is a solid TAG who might play full time maybe not but plays a ton of hours and is def a winner at least in the smaller games. He probably thinks I’m a good player but also knows I’m Aggro and might think I’m a bit of a spaz.

Hero opens KhKx UTG to 13, V calls to my direct left, tight passive fish calls, loose passive fish calls. Blinds fold.
(~50) QhTh7x
I lead 35, V makes it 135 with ~100 back, folds back to me, and I cover.

hero?
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01-20-2020 , 10:35 AM
So 80bb? Never folding. Just shove
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01-20-2020 , 12:20 PM
He’s repping better than 1 pair here every time, especially with 2 other players behind that he’s raising into. His range is basically just 77, TT, QTs, and combo draws.

I would have to have a really good reason to continue here as I don’t think he’s raising AQ, and we block some combo draws like KhJh. The “plus 100” size is virtually always nutted as well. I’m just sigh/folding here vs the described V. I wouldn’t fault anyone for getting it in here though, especially for less than 100bbs and you have some backdoor draws as backup.
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01-20-2020 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by NuklearWinter
He’s repping better than 1 pair here every time, especially with 2 other players behind that he’s raising into. His range is basically just 77, TT, QTs, and combo draws.

I would have to have a really good reason to continue here as I don’t think he’s raising AQ, and we block some combo draws like KhJh. The “plus 100” size is virtually always nutted as well. I’m just sigh/folding here vs the described V.
+1
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01-20-2020 , 01:48 PM
I'm folding. One of our worst hands vs this action blocking KJ and hearts.
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01-20-2020 , 02:20 PM
I hate preflop result (which is standard) which is why I limp to reraise. However, I also have a super nit image which means I'm never getting 3bet light; if you're getting 3bet a lot more often due to your image (are you?) then more reason to open (plus I'm assuming with your image you're opening a crapload of range this EP that I'm simply folding). So whatever works for you.

I think postflop is a pretty craptastic spot. You can't be getting too out-of-line continuing into a multiway pot especially with some fish in the hand. I'm guessing he could be doing this with some mega draws (ETA: Although I missed the fact that we're blocking some main ones). AA ain't out of play in this spot. Would he play AQ like this? My guess is this is just a super high variance spot for very little EV (which is why I avoid it like the plague by doing something different preflop).

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01-20-2020 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
this is just a super high variance spot for very little EV
Villain could be using this exact same logic to justify a raise with AQ.

We're too shallow to do anything fancy like fold. Just get it in.

Also, bigger pre
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01-20-2020 , 03:05 PM
@GG nobody 3bets wide at 1/3 where I play.

QQ-AA is def not in his range, but he’s also never getting out of line here, his bluffs are combo draws which I block pretty well. He def would think AQ is the nuts vs me, but I’m not confident whether he just raises and tries to gii or calls and tries to gii on safe turns, with that specific hand. Would be great to know that obv lol
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01-20-2020 , 03:33 PM
I fold against a solid TAG. AQ is something I'd suspect with a more aggressive player. In this case, fold.
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01-21-2020 , 02:00 PM
result:

I gii, he has TT.

Fold with that stack depth is obv exploitable, but regardless of result I mostly agree with the “fold crowd”.
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01-21-2020 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by water69
result:

I gii, he has TT.

Fold with that stack depth is obv exploitable, but regardless of result I mostly agree with the “fold crowd”.
It doesent matter if its exploitable. It does only matter if people are gonna observe you overfolding and then readjusting- wich like 95 percent of 1/3 players wont.

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01-21-2020 , 02:57 PM
:grunch:

Sucks but this is probably a fold? V isn't gonna raise you with any kind of draw since he's a good player and views you as aggressive with 2 people behind left to act. Plus, you block a lot of his draws. I'm going to assume given your image he's likely to be 3 betting you Pre with QQ and TT? I don't know what he could have that you're currently ahead of. Maybe AQ? My range for him right now would be 77, QT, AQ, maybe half the combos of TT and no QQ.

That being said, Is the flop a MUST bet? Is considering a check being results based?
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01-22-2020 , 03:24 AM
Easy fold. We have Kh and he’s raising a wet board texture with two fish behind. He probably isn’t flatting Jh9h.


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01-23-2020 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Gorgalosk
:grunch:

Sucks but this is probably a fold? V isn't gonna raise you with any kind of draw since he's a good player and views you as aggressive with 2 people behind left to act. Plus, you block a lot of his draws. I'm going to assume given your image he's likely to be 3 betting you Pre with QQ and TT? I don't know what he could have that you're currently ahead of. Maybe AQ? My range for him right now would be 77, QT, AQ, maybe half the combos of TT and no QQ.

That being said, Is the flop a MUST bet? Is considering a check being results based?
My buddy suggested checking the flop as well. I don’t see much merit in checking the flop with a bloated pot, 4 ways, on a wet board. I think my hand is often ahead and giving 3 people a chance at a free card seems -EV to me. If I was heads up I think a check might have some merit, but honestly I’m all ears if someone can convince me on WHY a check might be better here.
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