First hand I’ve post so appreciate the feedback

6 handed

H: have around ~300 to start. Played with V quite a bit.

V: covers. LAG for sure. Good at hand reading and knows my typical NIT/TAG game well. Applies pressure constantly.

OTTH. HJ open limps. I raise to 15 with KhJd
V calls BB HJ calls

(45) Flop Ks 8s 6h

I bet 20 V calls HJ folds

(85) turn 2h I bet 55??? V calls

(195) river 10h check he goes 135

Tough against this player type.

Seems like the best river decision is based on your playing time together.

Is V more apt to play made hands aggressively?
Is he raising the flop with 97s/75s?
Would he 3B KQ+ pre?
Have you folded to his large bets before?

Readless, I'd probably fold as some draws got there, besides KT. Your line looks strong and now getting resistance.

I overlimp pre, but if we do raise I like going $20-$25. I really don't like raising this spot pre, especially for this sizing, because we're pretty much asking for the result we got - a three way pot OOP with a meh hand in a bloated pot.

I'm never in this spot, but as played I actually don't mind checking this flop and I probably would if I were in your spot; if we do bet I like $15.

Turn, again, I'm never in this spot, but the sizing looks fine, AP.

River is a horrible card, I think we just have to x-f here.

Order of action here is messed up some place. You list villain as BB but he goes after you on river.

In any case you flopped a good but not great hand. In these situations it's often a good idea to check the turn. When you have position on the LAG it keeps the pot small and forces him to decide if he wants to bluff river with little idea what you have. When the LAG has position on you it denies him information and sets you up to call his bluffs more often.

As played a couple of plausible hands got there on the river. In general this is a fold with the occasional call to pick off bluffs. How often depends on how often he will bluff river because it's a bad card but not very often.

Hero is SB, he checks river, Villain in BB bets after hero's check

Having the K♥️ and not having a 7/5/♠️ in our hand makes me want to pay this man his money


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Yeah, I don’t think I’m laying this down. Time to engage hero call (ska payoff wizard mode).

Never folding vs described villain

I think I play more of it the same, but I check/call the turn to pot control against this villain. Let's him start bluffing too. I feel that I frequently call in this spot against this type of player and lose with these single pairs. I level myself into seeing all the missed draws and knowing sometimes this is just AJ.

But I think KJ is too weak in this spot. TT, 79, A7hh, KT all get there. I don't think KQ is out of range from his line either. I call with KQ, fold with KJ. Or I tell myself that here, and in game sigh/donate.

if he truely sees you as a NIT
and you raised pre/bet/bet

then he's still here at the river seems like an easy fold

everything about this hand is a wash

5x ???
KJo ???
OOP vs all ???
force out bottom of BBs range ???
isolate V who we perceive as competent LAG, knows our hole cards, applies pressure constantly ???

15 from the SB is almost a weird pot builder/juicer bet IME. Either limp or go $20+ but it depends on the HJ too about whom we know nothing except that he open limped....

heads up vs the BB I'd consider checking flop, but with him stuck in the middle he's less likely to stab so I'd just bet flop to charge the many draws. Probably small so that a raise from BB can be peeled (he should have plenty of semi bluffs)

Turn seem ok, and river seems like a decent spot to bluff catch. Only 79 got there, and I think a semi-decent LAG fast plays 2p+ on a K high board quite a bit cause he can rep semi bluffs.

Uh how are we isolating V? If anything, putting a raise in preflop makes it a lot less likely V is in the hand and in position on us.

I’m not saying we should be raising preflop, but you’re critiquing OP in a way where he can’t win. If he raises, he “forces out weak hands”. If he limps, he has V to deal with.


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If limper is ABC / non-difficult then I can get behind preflop. But the more the difficult BB is going to come along, the more I just limp this. And I'm also looking for a seat change (it's going to be a difficult night sitting directly OOP to this guy).

I'm ok with the flop bet 3ways as there is less chance the BB can get out-of-line with the other guy behind him. HU against him I might lean more to checking and attempting to get to showdown for as cheaply as possible.

I lean to checking the turn. Commitment is starting to become an issue as we'll have just a ~PSB left, and if I'm forced to play for stacks then I'd rather do that weakly check/calling (allowing him to bluff / overvalue) than betting and being called (which removes his bluffs and strengthens the range he shows up with).

Some draws busted on the river (such as the front door flush draw and 75) but some got there (such as 97 and KT and the backdoor flush). It's also possible he was ahead from the start. I think I mainly fold having shown so much strength thru out the hand, but I do fold easily.

This is kinda why I'm cool with just completing preflop. That little $15 raise when we were maybe doing okish equity-wise preflop turned into us playing for a pretty big $225 OOP against a difficult player not really knowing at any point where we stand. The better player we are, the more we won't care as much about this; the less better player we are, the more this (i.e. getting ourselves into good postflop spots) might be literally the only thing we should care about.

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Raising $15 from the SB with this holding is a huge leak, IMHO. Unless you're at a table of loose calling stations, or transparent players. You hit a top 20%, and have no clue how to proceed...that should tell you everything.

By checking the river, you're begging the villain to bet. Whether to call or not depends on how well you know villain and hand history.

Why would we want to be at a table of loose passive calling stations with KJo in this spot?

Grunch: textbook x/call on river ainec. Front door draw bricked (but 79 got there), and with the second flush draw completing it gives an aggro villain all reasons to bluff.

Folding here is extremely bad as you will be folding almost your entire range besides KK.

Lol at your image. NITs do NOT raise KJo ever, let alone from the SB. That is LAG play.

I'm noticing that you like to do a lot of x-c otr, which is something you should almost never do at LLSNL

Huh?

Yes. People don't bluff enough and call too often so you should thin value bet more and call less.

We call and lose to ah8h

Not sure what games you play, but I play in home games where people don't like to fold and will call with anything...in fact, there are players who will call $25 UTG+1 blind from the bathroom in our 1/2 game.

And plenty of these home players are so easy to read and predictable that KJ will rarely get you in a tough spot...

So, you raise with most better than average hands...people will call with K2 (it's one players favorite "garbage hand") and stack off.

As for you're comment about x/c the river in LLSNL, I'd say it's really player dependent. Some of our players never bluff or bluff raise, so you should bet against them 100% of the time. Others will play any draw or weak pair and fire away if checked to every time.

People almost never bet thinly for value but will call those hands they'd check back if you bet. They also rarely bluff. X-c otr is usually burning money.

Yeah, so why would we want to raise here with those opponents in the hand? Playing KJo in a bloated pot OOP versus stations isn't a great situation

Yes it is. KJo isn't making it's money from barreling it off with overs. It's making it's money getting calls from worse pairs and top pair with a worse kicker from fish who play too wide ranges. It's hard to beat TPGK starting with 50% of hands.

I won't fold river here with Kh. It makes our hand a pretty good bluffcatcher since his most likely flushes would have the Kh in them, and he's mainly repping 97 and flushes.