Hi all,

1/3 game. Pretty standard game. Loose passive.

V1 was up about 1000. Playing too many hands now. May be a bit tilted. He has like 400 to start. Not very aggressive

V2: has around 800. Playing way too many hands. At first he was limping pre a lot and calling any sized raise. Lately he has been folding limp folding more.

V3: has around 400. Was playing a ton of hands earlier. Tightening up more now that he is up.

H: playing the tightest. Trying to play lots IP. I have 450

OTTH: V1 limps, V2 limps, we raise OTB to 18 with KhJs

V3 is in the SB and calls, V1 calls UTG, V2 calls in the cutoff

(75) Flop Ad 10d Ah

Checks thru

Turn 6c

Check to me I bet 30?

V3 calls V 1CALLS

(165)

River Jc

V3 leads 35

V1 quickly calls

(235) we have to call 35 to win 235

We have a pair now.

I feel like we have all 3 options available here

3 ways, with one villain quickly calling, I'm fairly sure we're smoked. I think with the price I could talk myself into a call, but I think that's a leak in my game. The right move is to fold. Heads up it would be a call. I don't think we're folding out better by raising.

Id actually prefer to bet flop, maybe avoiding this situation entirely.

I would probably talk myself into sigh-calling in a live game as well, but seeing as how we're multi-way here and the game is loose passive, one of the Vs will have Ace-rag here (A2o through ATo) very often.

Although for the price we only have to be right 1 in 6.7 times...I think I'm OK with calling, but not happy about it.

Raising is spew.

Check turn.

AP river is meh, calling is ok

fist pump call river.

interesting hand and well played so far

feels like the SB has definitely the strongest range and just about always has an ace, and perhaps a big one since he flatted from the SB on a relatively thin stack

that being said you have to call the river but raising is interesting, he may indeed fold trip aces, seems to be playing tentatively

on the other hand you are probably always beat so i can see just folding too as an option

meh, i just call here i think there are better opportunities to bluff raise the river and the pot odds are stupid

As played at least one of the villians has some random A4o which they should of folded pre. I'm letting this go without a second thought.

I'd also check this back on the flop as i don't really expect to ever have this folded through. Don't mind the aggression on the turn when two players check it over. SB has the strongest case for checking an Ace hoping someone else will bet behind. When the SB leads river it's something that beats you always.

River is a call. One of them will have a bad AX sometimes but given those pot odds you need to see. AX should bet or raise at some point before river so it's discounted a bit. Somebody could be playing a good TX or worse JX, plus some chance of a spazz bluff with a missed draw.

Raise is almost always a mistake. What worse hands call a raise? QJ possibly but everything else should go away. What better hands fold? Only the bad AX are possible and they are not likely to fold.

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After 2 limpers at a standard loose passive table, I just overlimp preflop. The biggest reason to raise (other than meta game ones) is to either take down the blinds/limps now or to get this HU where we can steal the pot with a flop cbet, but after 2 limpers at a loose table this simply isn't going to happen enough. Otherwise, we almost never want to play a big pot with this hand and yet that's exactly what we're going to do if it ends up multiway (and this result isn't really very surprising, right?).

I'm also happy with just taking my free card on the flop this multiway.

I just take my free card on the turn. On this semi-drawy board it's clear no one has an Ace (unless they've got a fullhouse and don't mind giving out free cards) but I think we get looked up too often by pairs here since our flop check indicates we likely don't have one either.

Even though we're getting crazy stoopid odds on the river, we've still seen a donk into 2 opponents and a call. I can't hate too much on a call given these odds, but I think stars have to align too much for us to be good. And even though it's a weak bet and a weak call, I'm not convinced we're getting both people off their hands with a raise (also noting that hands as strong as straights on this board can easily be playing like this but are unlikely to fold).

One other thing to notice (which goes back to preflop): notice how big a pot we're playing with such a small hand.

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I'd probably bet the flop, very small. A "please call me" type bet. $20. Often enough, everyone has whiffed pretty bad and will fold.

Because it's multiway, the players in EP have to worry about all the others and are probably folding hands like 55 and perhaps hands similar to yours. Only the later position players can really take a stand, and they could easily have stuff like low SCs.

On the river, I think it's a pretty easy fold. You have to remember that you bet the turn and they called. Let's say it was a 3 way pot and it checked all the way to the river. Now there might be a scenario where 1 guy takes a stab and another makes a stand with a 10. But these guys are both putting in action on the turn and river, seemingly unafraid of anyone having an ace in a raised, multiway pot.

super snap call. never folding for that ridiculous price. making it 190 would be ok. but if V1 has KQ, I don't think you are going to get him off of it. maybe you could get him off of a raggy A if he believed that you had JJ

Grunch

I wouldn't routine isolate KJo preflop but sometimes.

Flop I like checking but I'd refrain from the delayed cbet on turn cos it doesn't look likely we checked this wet flop with an Ace so I expect to get called by any small pocket pairs as well as FDs and the KQ gutshot which is ahead of us.

River is never a fold.

If we raise we can certainly get value from the river snap-caller. Against the river bettor I think we might be able to get a little more value too or a fold from crap AX but there's a danger he's backed into the straight or slow played a boat so I'm raise/folding if I do raise.

If I'm raising I'm targeting QJ JT J9dd J8dd T9 so I'm going pretty small in order to get called by these hands.

If we can end up here with KJo we can also get here with AA JJ 66 KQ KK QQ. That's only 7 combos of primary strength versus 16 combos secondary strength and 18 combos marginal value raises with good 2-pairs. Therefore I think our raising range should be linear for value with no bluffs and thus we can/should use a smaller raise size than if we were raising a polarised range.

I'd raise to something silly small like 95 but fold to a 3bet with all my 2-pairs, GII with boats and tank-decide with the straight.

Reading others it's clear everyone else is putting a lot more AX in opponents' ranges than I am. Probably I'm being over optimistic in viewing river donk-bet as primarily a blocking bet with a two pair.

Erroneous or not my reasoning is that after everyone checks flop anyone with AX has to be very tempted to bet turn yet they don't.

Then V3 donk bets river basically same bet as turn on the arrival of the Jack. That doesn't look like value to me at all. It screams "I have a TX or hit the Jack and I don't want to pay more than $35 to get to showdown".

But maybe I'm just doing my usual and assigning too wide and weak ranges to passive players' bets...