Hi all,

Is this a bad play?

4 limps to me including V who has around 400 and he’s on the button here.

V is a reg. I think he over folds a fair amount. He bluffs a fair amount. I have seen him tilt before and make some suspect calls

H: I cover playing pretty aggressive

I complete the sb with K10ss usually I never call SB

Bb checks

(15) flop 8d9dKs

Checks to button he bets 10 I call others fold

(35) turn 8c I check he goes 10 again I raise to 35

I don’t think he should be betting this hard a lot and a check raise might seem “scary”

He calls

(105) River 4h I check he bets 75

I think we played this pretty weird and now are in a spot

I don’t think he has a ton of value here. He bets the flop which seems like Kx a lot and called a check raise on the turn

He could have missed flush draws. Value hands are 99 and 89 I think. Rarely A8

I would bet flop/bet turn/check call river and fold if raised on any street. $10/$20/x.

As played, I’d fold vs a thinking reg. Also he’s repping thin. Doubt he turns a missed draw into a bluff when the obvious draws missed after you x/r’d turn but I could be wrong. Wouldn’t be in this spot to begin with.

Don’t like the turn xr, just call.

No point in raising pre, given 1/3 dynamics. Flop is good. Turn I'm definitely flatting; even though he bets super small, it's hard to get value from worse, which you actually might have vs FD since you went so small. I call river vs villain that is known to bluff.

Why are you raising the turn?

I think turn raise is pretty bad here.

Play up to x/r is fine. The x/r is bad... Ask yourself 3 questions: what are you trying to accomplish? What hands fold/call/raise your x/r? What is your plan on certain Rivers if V calls?

That should help you better understand or define why the x/r is bad. It keeps all of his bluffs, draws and hands you beat in the hand--therefore making your decisions easier and more profitable.

As played I wouldn't assign a ton of weight towards 99... 98s-A8s, K9s, KT-KQo, JTs, 77, JJ. After he calls the x/r probably less likely to have KT, 77, or JJ. That leaves you hoping he has KT (chop), JTs draw (win), rest (lose).

Sorry, I ramble a bit when I dissect a hand because that's how my brain works. But I think you get the picture. Well played up to your x/r, ch/call and eval river is better.

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I would never consider doing anything else than just completing preflop.

I'm either/or on the flop. I think we can bet/fold small or check/evaluate. As played, I'm also just calling.

I think I'm just in check/call mode on the turn. He can bluff so I just give him rope to continue doing that. I'm not in love with the sizing he's giving himself, but in the end I think check/raising OOP is overplaying our hand.

I'm not exactly sure of our reasoning on the turn. We're trying to make our check/raise look "scary" when we actually have TP? We don't want anything to look scary when we have just TP. We'd rather look weak as **** and have him continue barrelling worse / value betting worse into us. We'd much rather look scary if we were the ones on a draw and semi-bluffing it.

I don't think we should have put ourselves in this river spot, but now that we're here it's probably a check/fold. Our hand looks a lot bigger due to our check/raise and yet this guy is still betting the river when checked to; he's a lot less likely to bluff his busted draws when we showed this type of turn strength. He also has a bunch of hands that could easily be crushing us and the small turn bet was just a suck bet to tarp with his unbeatable boat.

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