Hi all,

1/3 game effective stacks are 300

V1. Cool guy. Late 30’s guy who is on my direct left. We are decent buddies at the table. He usually buys in short and plays tournaments. He can be very sticky and make very thin calls. I think he can be too stationy sometimes. Can apply pressure at times as well tho.

V2: she is the spot in the game. Two to my left. Calls off extremely thin. Hates being bluffed. Good action player. Plays passive overall. She can also put people in tough spots. Usually she has it when she gets

V3: unknown playernjsut came in

H: I have decent history with V1 and V2 . Both know I am a decent player with a tight image and they both don’t think I bluff a lot ( I prob don’t)

OTTH: I raise UTG+2 to 15 with JdJh

V1 calls on my direct left as does V2 on his left V3 calls in the BB

(61) Flop: 10h 9s 7d

I decide to check here. I have mixed feelings here on better or checking. I think I probably should have bet to get all Qx Kx and Ax tocfold and to get any 10 to call and 8

Flop checks thru

(61) Turn: 3d I bet 25 and V1 raises to 65 total

The other two fold I decide to call?

(191) River is a 3s I check he bets 70 I insta call

Thoughts? Seems standard I guess

Definitely bet flop.

Unsure about turn, I lean towards folding but because we checked flop I’m iffy


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Bet flop. Rest all looks standard. Not inclined to believe that V1 checked a set OTF.

Bet flop for a lot of reasons. Value mostly. Playing cautiously rest of hand.

Likely bet flop, check turn, call river.

As played, fairly standard river call.

I actually think checking is ok as a low frequency play. I'd rather be betting this hand to clean up overcards, get value from one pair hands, and if raised, we can still peel on this board. AA makes a better check on the flop.

AP yeah sure. Not folding to that raise. Turbo calling river. We have a stronger hand than he'd expect.

I'd bet the flop myself but as played you're way underrepped so I expect you're good here plenty. I guess V1 puts you on overcards that turned a flush draw and then you blocker-bet to set the price.

I'm not really sure what V has because I expect a decent T to bet the flop after you check. Maybe he's gone out on a limb with A9 figuring no-one has a T and he's a well ahead of your overs and a bit ahead of your overs+FD but also wants to shut everyone else out. What bugs me is if this is the case: why does he bet the river IP? His 9X and TX that don't bet the flop only beat your draws so why not check back the river?

So I think he mostly has busted diamonds or an 8 here. He doesn't have any real value after checking flop except for trip or quad 3s...

I think V is likely showing up with a naked 8, busted diamonds, or a flopped straight (86/J8). I feel a flopped straight is the only value hand that can check back that flop since there is no flush draw.

I agree with others that any set would bet that flop for protection.

I think river is a call but wouldn't be surprised to see V show up with a strait.

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None of his straights should check flop. Both are vulnerable to counterfeiting and being outdrawn. Besides - he needs to get value and can't do that by checking.

NH WP. I like the check with backdoor straight possibilities and the board targeting villains range mostly. Looks good.

Ok we all know the standard reasons why this flop is more a bet than a check with JJ: we can get value, we prevent opponents drawing for free, there are lots of overcards we don't want to see on turn.

It's also relatively obvious that this flop situation is even more of a Vbet than normal...

We're OOP to two out of three opponents including the most aggressive player and both IP players are known to be sticky. This potentially enhances the amount of value we can get with our overpair.

However, there is a more subtle reason we should want to bet this flop...

Because the flop is rainbow but highly connected middling cards with a T and we have JJ - lots and lots of turn cards can EITHER put our opponents ahead of us OR give them a gutshot or flush draw to go with an overcard or overcards.

Because we've underrepped our hand our more aggressive IP villain is going to be especially likely to raise turn for both thin value (e.g. A9) and as a semibluff.

But strangely he'll know better where he is at in the hand than we will even though we're the ones who played the flop sneakily. This is because every time villain hits top pair on the turn or has weak TX/strong-9X and turn is a low brick he knows there's a good chance he has the best hand but every time he picks up only added equity via a draw he knows he's still probably behind to our AK/AQ or small pair.

Only if V has strong TX and turn bricks will he be in any difficulty thru thinking he's ahead and trying to V-bet big over turn and river when actually he's behind but of course this can only really occurs when he bets behind us on the flop. When flop checks thru he isn't going to get carried away playing for stacks if he raises A9 or a weak TX on the turn and we play back at him.

So when flop checks through and we get raised on the turn - a lot of the time we're really in the dark as to where we stand whereas the turn raiser has a very good idea where they are at AND they have position so they can maximise both fold equity and value plus they rarely lose lots by heavily value cutting themeselves

We're really taking an extra profitable flop situation and frequently turning it into a very murky turn situation where we're pretty much forced to take a blocker betting or X/deciding line over both turn and river. We're creating a situation where our opponents have an easy time!

That's a tremendously poor use of our overpair. I'd overwhelmingly prefer to take this line with QT- QJ 88 8X and maybe some BDNFD+overcard. Then we're protecting our checking range a little without wasting any of our strong pairs or creating difficult turn spots.

Check seems fine otf, i'd rather cbet QQ/KK/AA and fold if raised, i dont like the idea of b/f jacks here and b/c jacks is definitely a losing play.

ott i would size up to at least 60% pot, when you make bet sizings like these you're going to level yourself into really bad decisions a lot and make more often -EV calls or folds (ie underfolding or overfolding). if we bet 2/3 and he raised it's a snap muck, when you bet really small and get raised it's really hard to say as at this point it's just speculation.

imo turn raises are just so nutted in general that even when we bet this small and get raised 4-way, i'd just muck. otr snap call ap, 3 is the best card for you in the deck

^ Since JJ blocks a lot of the draws shouldn't we be much happier bet-folding JJ?

Since AA/KK can't be outdrawn as easily as JJ shouldn't we prefer to check them on flop? (If we're checking any overpairs in this spot which I don't think we should).

And also Minatorr surely our primary thought in this flop spot should be value not worrying about what happens if we get raised on the flop?

Ya Mon, this. 100%

What was your logic/intention with the small turn bet?