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08-03-2020 , 06:47 PM
Hi,

1/3 7 handed game

I open JJ UTG and cutoff calls
And BB very tight calls we all have like 300 to start

Flop (37) 2x3x8x

BB leads 12 we call cutoff calls

(73) turn 2x check I bet 45 cutoff folds BB calls

(163) river 10 she bets like 140
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08-03-2020 , 06:56 PM
What was your opening size? Raise flop to 40-50 depending on your opening size. BB is leading out with 45 suited (4 combos), 78/89/68/810/a8 suited (15 combos) for protection while he assumes you have two overs. His value hands are 22,33,88, 23 suited (12 combos) where he would rarely lead out with against 2 opponents out of position and would rather check raise large.
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08-03-2020 , 06:56 PM
I assume you opened to 12.

I would raise the flop.

AP, Jam river.
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08-03-2020 , 08:53 PM
Eh, very tight V PSB’s the river I don’t think I’m jamming over the top but I’m mostly not folding either. Jamming seems thin, but not terrible. Very V dependent.
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08-03-2020 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Imjustrunningbad
Hi,

1/3 7 handed game

I open JJ UTG and cutoff calls
And BB very tight calls we all have like 300 to start

Flop (37) 2x3x8x

BB leads 12 we call cutoff calls

(73) turn 2x check I bet 45 cutoff folds BB calls

(163) river 10 she bets like 140
If your read is correct and V in the BB is very tight. By the river, JJ is only a bluff catcher. A very tight V is unlikely to be bluffing.
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08-04-2020 , 08:50 AM
As played, river is a standard fold vs. this player and their line.

Board texture is rainbow, so the only draw hands that we're beating are 54s. Tight BB probably not likely donking 1/3 PSB on flop into 2 opponents, risking a raise blow-off from Hero.

Turn - I'd size smaller, say $30, need less protection and might get value from random over cards, 77.
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08-04-2020 , 07:07 PM
Wow, Y'all's games play much different than mine.
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08-04-2020 , 09:18 PM
I would fold now. Doubt a very tight woman bets 90 percent of the pot with less than a boat here. I suppose she could have A2, but that seems unlikely. Maybe 810, but that also seems unlikely.

As for the flop, I would proceed cautiously if I just flat. There is a case for raising, but you have position when a very tight player has led into you, so I think flatting is ok with just one behind. Don’t see too many worse hands continuing against a flop raise
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08-06-2020 , 02:45 PM
I just limp in preflop but that's my style (which a lot hate, FWIW).

I also typically just call the flop donk. I don't feel committed and raising quickly puts us on that road. Let's call in position and see what happens.

I probably bet the turn although I'm betting much less. Looks like a fairly drawless board, a tight player is still in what is a 3way hand, etc. I'm probably going no more than $30.

I believe our default move in these river spots should be to fold and we should have very good reasons to do otherwise. Ain't no busted draws. We're up against a "very tight" player who somehow got to the river against the EP preflop raiser for 3 consecutive bets and yet decides that's a good place to put out a large bet. Heck, even if a tying JJ is betting they're typically putting out a much smaller blocking bet of like $50.

GcluelessfoldingnoobG
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08-06-2020 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Gor24do
What was your opening size? Raise flop to 40-50 depending on your opening size. BB is leading out with 45 suited (4 combos), 78/89/68/810/a8 suited (15 combos) for protection while he assumes you have two overs. His value hands are 22,33,88, 23 suited (12 combos) where he would rarely lead out with against 2 opponents out of position and would rather check raise large.
I agree with this response overall and simply add that I believe any 8 is likely to peel the turn, the 45's of course so you can get called by those hands that you are ahead of here when you raise so it's important to get value. Of course it's possible they get excited and donk/weak lead trap with a massive value you hand like a set but it's more unlikely as the above poster said, and worst case if that happens, you can make a really tough fold on the flop if they Jam and I think it would be okay to fold if your flop raise size was like 40 and you are both 300 ish deep.
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08-11-2020 , 09:43 AM
Old Lady Coffee or Young Lady Prosecco nearly always has it in that spot on the river with that bet sizing. I make a reluctant fold to this specific opponent, even though GTO tells me that JJ is one of my better calling hands that I can have here.
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