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07-13-2017 , 09:04 AM

LordRiverRat

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,675

Villain (MP): 30s white guy, passive and slightly loose (covers)
Hero (CO): mid 20s Asian, TAG image ($300)

UTG straddles $6. Two limpers to hero who makes it $35 with J

. Folded to villain who calls.

Flop: 9

($81)

Checked to hero. Hero bets $65. Villain calls.

Turn: K

($211)

Checked to hero.

I was planning on shoving a safe turn given the SPR. I don't think checking back is good cause half the deck will be bad. It's a little thin but I think I can get called by worse here. Only really worried about king high heart draw or two combos K9s otherwise I don't think the king helped villain. Shove?

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07-13-2017 , 09:38 AM

OSUTexan

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,210

I think you made this hand pretty difficult to play with your bet-sizing. I would have gone for a smaller raise to around $20-$25 preflop and can c-bet about $35. Not pot-committing yourself in that scenario.

A shove is only getting called by better. Since he's a passive villain. Go ahead and bet/fold $100 to get some value from flush draws. Checking back all rivers.

Last edited by OSUTexan; 07-13-2017 at 10:00 AM.

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07-13-2017 , 09:54 AM

teddyrowe9

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,432

Preflop is fine.

The danger with jamming turn (it's basically a PSB) is that we pretty much fold out all worse hands (unless this is the type of villain to never fold FDs).

I think something like $100 is better. And then check back pretty much all rivers. Passive villains will play pretty straight forward here.

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07-13-2017 , 09:58 AM

ImAllInNow

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,856

Turn jam seems fine (it's a psb). Getting someone to fold or call with the Ace high fd is pretty nice. Not many kings in their flop calling range other than K

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I'd be more inclined to consider checking behind J

Jx.

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07-13-2017 , 09:59 AM

ImAllInNow

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,856

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Originally Posted by 1/2 is DAT WAY

I like a fold pre with the hooks, button makes it 6$, can obviously be inducing you with aces or kings.

Don't ship on turn, to many ace king/ k/x hands beating you, waiting for you to shove. CHeck it to river then throw it away if he bets.

very good troll first poast.

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07-13-2017 , 12:11 PM

Javanewt

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 12,776

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Originally Posted by 1/2 is DAT WAY

??? Where are these posters coming from?

Anyway, go ahead and shove. You only have a pot-size bet left, and there are a lot of cards you don't want to see on river. Don't give him a chance to catch up with decent odds. He might call with worse.

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07-13-2017 , 12:20 PM

rus5267

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 246

I check behind here. Not going to go for 3 streets of value with JJ any way. By keeping the pot smaller I may only have to call a small bet on the river to bluff catch.

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07-13-2017 , 12:42 PM

randomcards

adept

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 794

Hmm, interesting spot.

I don't love shoving, just a little too wild for my taste and only getting called by better. I suppose you foldout some equity but villain could have floated with any combo of Kh. If the turn instead was the Kh and it was just the second heart on board I like bet fold better.

I think I check behind and bluff catch on the river to a reasonable sized bet.

Close spot but the pros of not shoving into a much better hand outweigh the benefit of equity I fold out. And I think villain can bluff a lot of hands on the river.

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07-13-2017 , 01:29 PM

Javanewt

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 12,776

Villain is passive. Why do we think he's bluffing river?

He's also loose, so good chance he calls with his flush draws.

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