Third or fourth hand at the table, from what I have witnessed thus far the game is action packed with lots of splashing around and tempered aggression, lots of betting and calling, the occasional raise, the rare reraise.

From the table talk, I can gather that V in HJ has been the table captain, raising pre nearly every hand, effectively making it a 1/3/15 NL.

V in SB is clearly hammered, slurring and spilling chips across the felt. I saw him call three streets of heavy action w/ middle pair no kicker. Definitely here to gamble.

1/3 NL

I am EP w/ JJ, effective stacks are 500.

I open to 12, MP calls, HJ makes it 22, SB cold calls.

Competent reg in the BB addresses me by name and states, "its a good game," before folding.

I reraise to 85. This is purely for value and trying to get it HU or 3 way, I don't want MP priced in.

Folds to SB who tank calls. At this point I have him on 88+, AJo+, ATs+ KQo+, QJs+

Flop (189) QT7r

SB checks

I bet 115, thoughts?

In the moment I actually thought that I could get value out of worse and that I needed to charge his broadway draws, further, its pretty easy for him to perceive my range as KK or AA.

SB calls.

Turn (419) 5.

Check. Check.

River (419) Q.

SB Checks.

Hero (300) ? Any value to be had?

Unless SB has a wide calling range, I don't think there's much value to be had OTF

I'd check back flop and then bet the turn

Its pretty read dependant

I like the 3! for obvious reasons, though I agree with duke and would check back the flop since you are either WA/WB. Then if SB checks the turn I wouldn't mind putting out a bet. On the river, he either has a Q,T or a missed draw. I would probably discount Qx from his range considering he checked the river, so I would just shove here for thin value considering he calls down pretty light and might hero call you with a AT or KT, just like he has been doing all night. If he has a Q its pretty tough luck but I feel like he'd bet the river after you checked turn.

Given your read, I think you can bet flop for value with plan to check turn.

Or check flop and bet turn.

I think it's close either way. Standard play is to check flop, but your read suggests betting.

With your read, yes - value bet this river. You can get calls from 88, 99, AT, even A-high.

Given the prevalence of A-high in his range, bet $125. Thiiiin value.

Absolutely this: for sure bet the river against those spewmonkeys. Once the top card pairs, JJ can be called down by a good amount of worse hands here on the river the way this hand was played.

I personally like to check the flop here, because i often feel thats the best way to open up villains continuerange and set him up to bluff his air/weak pair type of hands. We have solid showdownvalue, and we would hate to be raised off of our hand on the flop if we bet out.

My two cents: check the flop and see a turn.That way you enduce A10 type of hands to put in more money in the pot, or purely bluff with whiffed hands like AJ for example. Villains can easily "put you on AK" when you check this kind of flop, and think that they can buy the pot on the turn. At the same time your not ballooning up the pot on the flop for your villain if you happends to be beat.

I really like the way the board progressed in this hand. These sorts of hands are why JJ is my favorite hand.

I like the flop bet. Against this villain, you get value from tens, sevens, 89 straight draws that you crush with blockers, Broadway's that you crush because they are gutshots/you have blockers, an AK which doesn't want to fold yet because it's pretty.

I also like the turn check. Our hand is secure but we don't want to bloat the pot or get raised off our SDV.

Great river card. Now we beat any random two pair that he happened to bink and play passively. Unlikely, but our hand strength increased a little. Now we are 99% sure he doesn't have a queen. And now we can get more value from tens and maybe even sevens and maybe even a stationing, drunk AK.

I'd go with $170 raise. It's small relative to the pot so it'll get called light, big enough to get nice value, and it's big enough not to induce a spazz that makes us fold a better hand.

The way the hand played out I would probably value bet the river.

I would probably just open limp at this game. The table is super loose, so a raise is unlikely to narrow the field, so our most likely result is a multiway bloated pot with us OOP and seeing an overcard on the flop a decent amount of the time, which is not a great spot (as it sets us up for making a big mistake postflop). Even though it might end up going that way anways, at least I do my best to not guarantee that by setting it up myself. And being 166bbs deep, I'm not comfortable in playing for stacks preflop as even maniacs and drunks to get hands. I limp to almost setmine here. And if we are going to raise, what is the point of raising to a mere $12? Seriously, like this has any chance at all at thinning the field here?

It sounds like we are now cool with playing for stacks preflop, so if that's the case, fine, I like our 3bet size.

Against this guy, we might feel committed at this point even though there is an overcard on the flop (although as far as overcards go, this is probably the best one to see). I would probably just 3/4 PSB it and setup for a turn shove.

On the turn, I think I feel committed against this guy with << PSB left. I continue thru with my commitment plan and shove.

Great river card. If we were ahead on the turn, we're still ahead, plus there is now just that many less combos of Qx in his hand, plus he's checked which means it's even unlikely he has us beat (since he'd probably bet a value hand with us checking the turn). I think we get paid off by perhaps any pair, especially Tx/7x. I'm shipping for value against this moron.

I think we have to make up our minds extremely early on how we are going to play a hand like JJ. OOP, at a loose crazy deep table, I'm really cool with playing it extremely passively and almost setmining. If we decide not to play it that way, then we have to follow thru with that plan postflop, imo.

ETA: We've got second pair in a 3bet pot with an SPR of 2.2 against a drunk who has previously called down heavy action with as little as second pair. Plus our hand is vulnerable to A/K and draws. I disagree with others regarding checking any street; pot control is out the window on the flop, we've made our bed now lets lie in it.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I blacked out after I read this, and I just woke up in a dark alley outside a dive bar 50 miles away wearing someone else's shoes.

Were they nice shoes though?

Gwin,imoG

Ferragamo.

This.

A clearly drunk guy who we witnessed call three streets of heavy action with middle pair and no kicker called our 3b and then checked called the flop and checked the turn to us? I think I just ship it here, knowing that he calls with worse often enough. If he has a Q, run to the bathroom, puke for running into the top of his range and come back fresh. OTR, once he's checked three streets there is approximately 0% chance we are not good here, so I would bet something that I feel will get called. Being totally new in the game I would probably just bet the max that I feel will get called 100% of the time by 10x/7x($180?).

Haha, any idea what he was drinking? Was he 'on some other ****'? Because the clearly drunk guys I usually play with have very little sense of perception (unless it involves how much drink is left in their cup or the waitress' beautifully shaped bosom).