My reasoning for checking turn:

You are never getting 3 streets of value here against any decent player, let alone a thinker, which our guy may or may not be. Without some leveling going on you never get 3 streets here.

Our hand is face up. If V is decent and can bluff, he can take us off our hand OTR by making a pot sized shove on any diamond,6,7, or 8. We don't know if he is capable, but he is much more likely to try this than your average rec-fish.

Most people try to bluff once weakness is shown (checking), rather than when someone is firing away. Give him the chance to make a Hero bluff OTR, while betting the turn just makes him fold a ton of the range we crush.

I'm not worried about a lot of draws here and how does he ever have a 9? Even if he somehow does, he is folding this a bunch OTT when he is OOP in a 3bet pot on this board.

His range is PP heavy. Allow him to level himself into making a river hero call because he is much more likely to do this on the river, rather than the turn, possibly facing a stack-sized river bet.

Betting the turn forces him to fold his heavy PP range, because he is not playing for stacks with 66-88,TT.

To all who are advocating a flat call pre, are you all forgetting that this is 6max and V opened from LP over no limpers? His 3b/calling range pre should be very wide and match up favorably for us holding JJ, plus we have position. This isn't a full ring game.

I bet on the turn. I don't think the king is very likely to have helped him. It can hit us, however. Re evaluate OTR

I feel like there are some good reasons for checking here, too.

I like the turn card. We can bet here and take down a decent sized pot a high percentage of the time. A turn check could set us up to get bluffed out on the river in a big pot which would be a big mistake. Or we might make a loose call which would also be costly here.

From this read I wouldn't assume that villain is good, although he might be. He could be card dead, could be on the nitty side, and could just be a reg who isn't as loose as other players. Or maybe he is normally loose but tightened up because he has a big stack and doesn't want to lose it.

Bet $85.

Lol he doesn't have any bluffs on river so check back turn and fold most rivers is the optimal line, bet river for value if checked to

A mid 20's reggish player who "seems good" doesn't have any busted draws on this drawy flop and never attempts to steal this pot on the river when it looks like we've weakly given up by checking back the turn?

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Then you'll lose money long run

That's quite a specific read after only approximately 10 hands.

It is our 10th hand. I am checking here and calling or betting the river. I am not risking my stack with a pocket pair and an over card on the board. It may seem weak, and it may be weak, but checking the turn will give you fold equity later in the game and also induce bluffs against you later. Both of these are good results. Also I am not worried too much about diamond draws since he is not playing many hands and he called a 3 bet pre.

Later if I discover that this guy is a calling station, I would bet the turn for value. IF he is tricky/trappy, I try to keep the pot size close to my relative hand strength - and right now the pot is already too high relative to having an underpair to the king.

Why would we bet the turn it's literally pointless , the guys not calling pre with like 67dd and stuff , we only get called by better and worse to fold. Why people are saying call river if he bets is beyond me , his range is like sets and kings when he bets river , he's never betting a worse hand for value and he doesn't have any bluffs

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We never run into AQdd/TT/etc. here?

We've only seen him play 10 hands. We don't know what his range is when he bets the river. And how can we possibly conclude that he doesn't have any bluffs when our read on him is so weak?

Also if villain folds worse to our bet in $177 pot in a 1-2 NL game, that's a very good outcome when we have such a vulnerable hand. That's far from pointless and beats giving up free cards that could lose that pot for us.

Preflop is standard. As far as the turn, it's unlikely that the difference in EV between betting and checking to call most river bets is that great. Most likely you'll want to bet some of the time, and check some of the time.

No one has mentioned this was 6 handed. It is a definate 3 bet in position. I would take a bet, bet, check line on this run out. If Villain raises the turn I probably muck with the limited history. I don't like checking the turn because I control the bet size, better define his hand and he may jam the river and then I'm playing the guessing game.

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Bet fold 75-90. That will get value from draws and keep many 9x and pp calling. Villain should not cr bluff since h taking 3b/b/b line is strong even with smaller sizing. If v leads river, fold. If he checks, check back.

We don't know v is good, just that he is probably semitight pre. I would still treat him as standard player at this level until more reads develope. That means betting for value trumps pot control.

I strongly disagree with every single thing that youspud said in this thread.

I like betting turn here. I think this opponent is a good person to start putting some positional pressure on and shut him down from raising marginal hands in late position, expanding the power of the button an extra spot.

Also he might be the type to get frustrated and make a poorly timed and veiled bluffs that we can see coming from a mile away.

Also I like keeping pressure on their hands, make them loose faith in their bluffs and thin value spots, giving us more ways to win the pot. Not to mention they define their hands.

I'm willing to give up a little short term value to have them play very straight forward and easy to push around. I'm going to have more pots where I can push out a better hand than hands I can get slight value from. Let me feast on my neighbor all day. I won't even look at my cards.

Masta--

Not looking at your cards is so bad.

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