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11-18-2018 , 11:47 PM
Hi all,

Very loose passive table.

V: older guy who just table changed he has 400

H: youngest at the table and tightest- v doesn’t know this yet I have 320 start

OTTH: V1 limps UTG

WE raise to 15 one caller he makes retrained to 32

We call other guy calls?

(100) Flop: Ac 7s 5d

He bets 35 we call with some back door equity IP

Other guy folds

(170) Turn: 6c

He checks we bet 65 he asks how much we have left and tank calls

(300) River : 8s

He checks we jam

Thoughts?
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11-19-2018 , 03:33 AM
Price is too good to fold to the 3! pre, but I'm done with this hand on the flop. You have close to zero equity against top pair and overpairs. Floating planning on taking it away on later streets is dangerous against the wrong V, especially once he calls $65 ott. I'd have to have seen him make lay downs before I'm willing to risk it all on a bluff. (That being said, this one isn't terrible since as the threebettor he has no straights in his range. But whether you can credibly rep one as the prf is questionable. What 9s and 4s are you calling with otf and betting turn big with? A4 and A9 suited? Even if you'd take this line with those hands, that's not a lot of hands.)

Also, in his view you're probably just another young aggressive V who will bet when checked to. Like you said, he doesn't know you are tight as he recently sat down. Take the low variance route and fold otf. Low stakes nlhe is mostly about value betting not bluffing.
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11-19-2018 , 12:55 PM
looks good
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11-19-2018 , 02:18 PM
Button clicking at its finest. Has to work roughly 40% to show profit.

Since he is awful player it is really hard to make informed decision or conclusion.
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11-19-2018 , 04:44 PM
I would fold preflop at most tables unless they are very passive preflop and very payoffy postflop. One common thread in all of your posts is that you seem to come in for a fairly significant raise with mediocre hands from all positions at loose tables that are likely to create bloated multiway low SPR pots; obviously I have a very nitty method that not everyone agrees with, but I think you're going too far the other way, imo.

Getting these odds with what is probably a non-dominated hand that can crack a lol played big pair, I'm also sigh calling the minraise.

SPR is 3 and we're calling the flop with our "backdoor equity" and another guy behind us? Start considering your "backdoor equity" when the SPR is 20, not 3. Yuck, imo.

I'm fine with the turn/river (although he might not have enough left to get him off his KK, again why we shouldn't be getting out-of-hand in lol SPR 3 pots). But you're simply risking way too much on the flop for the stars to align (the guy behind to fold, the guy UTG not to have AA which is kinda what he has a lot, him to check the last two streets, the cards to run out scary, etc.).

GcluelessNLnoobG
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11-19-2018 , 07:38 PM
With such tiny SPR that Gobble pointed out and equally tiny backdoor equity (isn’t it only like 2-3% in this spot?), how can we ever get behind anything but a fold OTF? Sure, we are IP, but we are up against what is essentially a V who is 100% unknown...not even close to being an ideal situation OTF.
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