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1/3 jam turn or barrel small? 1/3 jam turn or barrel small?

07-30-2019 , 05:47 PM
So 1/3 super soft backroom game. Btn straddles to 15 (one of those bull**** straddle plaques that hold no value). Eff stacks between me and villain is about 650 (210bbs).

I'm on co with 45cc 2 limpers and I make it 35. Generally I'd opt exploitatively fold here (possibly overcall if btn is passive) but during this session I had a super nitty image so thought I could widen my range here and throw in some low SC like this.

BTN folds, the 2 limpers call and flop is 6c2cTd, checks to me and I bet 60, one fold and a call. Turn is 8h and its checks to me, I jam for about a PTSB.

I don't hate my line but I'm wondering if any of you think it could have been played another way. Maybe bet like 1/4th on turn?
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07-30-2019 , 06:19 PM
It'd be helpful if you put pot sizes.

I would just limp this hand along, especially at a super soft table. If you're going to raise, don't min raise. I would raise to $90...You have no FE pre if you minraise, and that's my preferal result is taking down the dead money pre.

I would bet $100 on the flop with the intention of jamming the turn. As played I guess I still shove, but pretty borderline with SPR.
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07-30-2019 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
It'd be helpful if you put pot sizes.

I would just limp this hand along, especially at a super soft table. If you're going to raise, don't min raise. I would raise to $90...You have no FE pre if you minraise, and that's my preferal result is taking down the dead money pre.

I would bet $100 on the flop with the intention of jamming the turn. As played I guess I still shove, but pretty borderline with SPR.
thanks, I'll remember to post pot size in future hands, new to the live scene. I didn't necessarily raise pre for FE (well a bit of that too) but mainly because I wanted to keep my range uncapped IP as that will allow me to do more betting postflop.

Raising to 90 is overkill imo. The 15 straddle effectively makes 100bbs in this game 20bbs, I don't think you should be raising 6x in a spot like this, it becomes more similar to tourney really. Maybe a raise to 40-45 is better but I felt like button would be folding more often due to my super tight image so decided to raise to 35. I think 40 should be the standard raise here though.
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07-30-2019 , 08:04 PM
I’m okay with this line because you’d play JJ/Qq this aggressively also. You might also play AT this way. So your line doesn’t look FOS and should fold out weak Tx, overcards, 77 and possibly nitty 99.

You do have to be concerned he has a NFD but we’re blocking a few combos. I don’t think 1/4 psb blocker is a good idea OTT as you’d never let nfd and combos draw like this if you had JJ or Qq.
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07-30-2019 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GrindBox
thanks, I'll remember to post pot size in future hands, new to the live scene. I didn't necessarily raise pre for FE (well a bit of that too) but mainly because I wanted to keep my range uncapped IP as that will allow me to do more betting postflop.

Raising to 90 is overkill imo. The 15 straddle effectively makes 100bbs in this game 20bbs, I don't think you should be raising 6x in a spot like this, it becomes more similar to tourney really. Maybe a raise to 40-45 is better but I felt like button would be folding more often due to my super tight image so decided to raise to 35. I think 40 should be the standard raise here though.
You have zero fold equity pre by min-raising to $35. You are putting in more money into a pot pre with no fold equity and 5 high.

Cash is not tourney. Raising 2.2x with two limpers ahead of you is not something that works in cash. I find it dubious that it even works in tourneys. But i dont play tourneys so maybe im wrong.

And min-raising pre doesnt keep your range uncapped. If anything it’s capping your range since your raise is exactly what it looks like, a pot sweetener. If you’re trying to transition to cash from toruney, a lot of tourney concepts/bet sizings/etc get thrown out the window

Exploitatively you want to raise huge here to just take down the dead money with 5 high. bloating a pot with no FE pre so that you end up with SPR 5 with 5-high 3-way is lighting money on fire.

Or overlimp pre.

Not sure why we are 2x overshoving turn...? It looks like about $220 in pot with $550 behind
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